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There are 29 comments on Outrage, Mourning, as BU Community, Leaders, Respond to Israel-Hamas War

  1. It only took 72 hours for BU to make an official statement on this savagery. That is not leadership. That is fear of offending any progress group. And some wonder why people vote for Trump.

    1. When things are unfolding and developing by the minute/ hour, how much do we care about speed in opinion? In this age of social media, people expect to have lightning speed knee jerk responses out in the open. I think it is perfectly fine to take time to reflect, especially for such a devastating, horrific, and complicated mark in history.

      1. And when BU finally issues a statement, it is accompanied by a picture of devastation in Gaza rather than a picture of the slaughter in an Israeli kibbutz.

        It took a while for BU to figure out which group they were more afraid of offending.

        1. Tom, you are EXACTLY correct. A gutless, politically calculated statement. If you sit in a history class at this university, you will see exactly where this thinking originates. Western history tends to be reduced to nothing but racism and colonialism. On the contrary, non-Western societies are generally portrayed as passive victims and their faults are whitewashed wherever possible. And so, unsurprisingly, the Israelis are generally portrayed as modern white, European imperialists. So, in the eyes of the uninformed students who are simply absorbing this propaganda like sponges, the bigoted, racist and imperialist Israelis “had this coming”.

          If the West were more united in its condemnation of this Hamas savagery, these antisemitic terrorists would not dare such attacks. There are many, many parties with bloodstained hands in this war.

          …and Western Academia’s hands are certainly among them..

    2. I disagree. None of the “Ivy League” schools have issued any statement supporting Israel, but instead have hidden under milquetoast non-committal statements (see, e.g., Northwestern, U Chicago, etc.). Anti-semitism is running rampant all over the country on college campuses. Jewish students are being harassed and attacked. I am proud of my alma mater for taking a stand.

  2. Was 9/11 a conflict in New York? Was the Boston marathon bombing a conflict, they were both acts of unprovoked terrorism on innocent victims. This response from BU is appalling.

  3. Incredibly frustrating that this attempt to represent both perspectives in the BU community reserves only several lines for the voices of Palestinian students, and allows language like “barbarity” to go unaddressed when describing the Palestinian resistance. Palestinians have lived under terrorism for generations, and conflating Palestinian support with antisemitism is not only wrong but also makes it difficult for the MANY Jewish people speaking and acting in support of Palestine to be taken seriously. Better to make no statement at all than this mess. -an angry staff member

    1. Alex, thank you for your comments. Indeed, it was hard not to notice that only a few lines was given to the perspectives of students in support of Palestinian rights. The article claims to reflect multiple points of view. The claim is misleading. Some here argue that the attack on Israel, as horrific as it was, came forth unprovoked. This ignores the persistent violence waged against the Palestinian people every day since the day their land and homes were taken from them years ago, ignores the violence of the open-air prison they are confined to, ignores the collective punishments they have been and continue to be subjected even today. We cannot ignore context and claim to seek truth. Violence always begets more violence, full stop. Many feel pulled to support either Israelis or Palestinians. I support justice and peace, for without justice there can be no peace and only peace can truly support Israelis and Palestinians.

      1. David, is there ever any provocation that justifies rape and murder of civilians?

        I can’t believe that you (or anyone else commenting on this topic) thinks so … there is no context or history
        that could possible excuse Hamas’s behavior.

        1. Ari, I believe you are not hearing me. I do not believe anything excuses Hamas. I did not say that. Again, violence beget more violence. This is the painful spiral we are now witnessing. Context sometimes explains, but never excuses violence. This is certainly true for the violence of what some of us call terrorism and also true for the violence of collective punishment and degradation. Making excuses and blaming lead us all toward bitterness and intransigence. Explaining context can lead to understanding. Listening to others and learning to understand that different people have different histories and life experiences can expand our capacity to accept each other’s truth for what it is, even when we disagree. Also, the Palestinian people are not a monolith, and most do not support Hamas terrorism. The people of Israel are not a monolith either. Many do not support expanded settlements and other (arguably) provocative policies of the Netanyahu government. The situation is complex and the history is imperfect. I’m reminded of the famous quote, “To every complex problem there’s a simple solution, and it’s almost always wrong.”

    2. Exactly, you worded my concerns perfectly. What is quite grotesque about all this is that not a single statement from BU or any institution or celebrity or government holds the Israeli government accountable for all the inhuman disgusting things it has done to Palestinian for the past 75 years. No one holds them accountable for the entire neighborhoods they are destroying in Gaza as we speak. Violence is never justified, except when the Israeli government does it, then we let is slide. Yuck

  4. Hamas was openly and publicly raped and murdered innocent civilians, putting out videos of their deeds on the Internet just like ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    This was not an attack … it was a modern-day pogrom, and I am embarrassed that the university took so long to issue such a lukewarm statement.

    History will judge them (and us!) harshly.

  5. Israel has never and never will perform the brutal murders and kidnapping of civilians the way Hamas has. Please be accurate- this started not after 150 Israelis were kidnapped- it started after over 1,000 Israelis – mostly innocent civilians – BABIES, women , men and children were murdered and kidnapped. There is a conflict and always was BUT as president Biden said – Israel has always abided by the rules of war. Hamas is not a military organization- it is a TERRORIST organization. Not standing with Israel now is standing with terrorists – same kind that made 9/11. This is our 9/11.

  6. I agree and was going to say the same thing. The BU leadership is not up for the job and neither is BU today for waiting this long.

    Shame on both of them.

  7. “It is important to note that the events that began on October 7, 2023, were not unprovoked,” says the BU Student Justice for Palestine.

    Mind you, all of the barbarism was PROUDLY documented by Hamas themselves and posted on to social media. While it is gut wrenching to the core, I implore everyone to watch and confront the footage, lest we forget what true evil looks like. No past action of Israel, justified or unjustified, warrants this kind of mass savagery.

    In their charter, Hamas says that the only solution to the Jews is “jihad”. I don’t know about you, but I don’t think they mean hold hands and sing Kumbaya. This past weekend, they showed us what they mean by jihad.

    Consequences must be felt. There are ugly days ahead of us, and every single ounce of blood shed in this war is going to be on Hamas and their leader who’s hiding in Qatar with great cowardice. Casualties can be minimized if they stopped hiding behind civilians. Yet, they have proven that they don’t care about human life.

    It is time to make Hamas a thing of the past.

    Godspeed.

  8. Why is it that some will commit an unspeakable act of violence and then plead for an end to violence?

    Then we outsiders try to triangulate and stay ‘above’ the conflict with carefully worded statements, not realizing that we are not outsiders at all. Every member of humanity is constantly engaged in the perpetual struggle between good and evil — between life and death.

  9. Why are the Israelis labeled as “colonizers” when this land IS their homeland. They were kicked out over 2000 years ago and forced to find shelter in inhospitable lands all over the globe. The once thriving Jewish community in Iraq, gone. The once thriving European Jewish community, systematically wiped out by a Nazi regime and its millions of allies hell bent on ridding the world of a religion that had done nothing but exist. What was the answer? Give the people back the land thy once lived peacefully in thousands of years ago and let them govern themselves. They didn’t “colonize” Palestine. They moved back HOME to a land that was stolen from them during a time when NO ONE wanted them. Unfortunately but not unsurprisingly, everyone still wants them gone.

    I have many terrible things to say about the Israeli government and Netanyahu, the unchecked settlements on the West Bank and the siege in Gaza (supported by the Egyptians no less) but the actions of Saturday are beyond abhorred and have no words to describe them. I think the most telling point to all of this has been that Hamas is angry when the IDF doesn’t give enough warning that Israel will be shelling and bombing areas in the Gaza Strip. Did Hamas warn innocent concert goers, kibbutz residents, children, elderly, or any of the others that they systematically beheaded or shot at point blank range? No, they did not. But let us all pile on Israel for only giving a few minutes warning that they might retaliate.

    Do your research, read some history, and educate yourself. I pray for all of the children that this cycle of hatred and bloodshed can one day end.

    1. Clearly you are the one who needs to do more research. Zionists rallied for Great Britain to designate Palestinian land and forcibly displace them to satisfy the need for a Jewish State in the Balfour Declaration, when Allied powers took over the Ottoman Empire and stripped Palestine of its sovereignty. Although the motivation for wanting a Jewish safe haven is understandable, the forcible displacement and slaughter of the real indigenous Palestinians is unwarranted and horrific. Iraq is actually where Jewish peoples can be considered indigenous; but to forcibly move Palestinians from their own land they have cultivated and then to call the Israeli settlers “indigenous” after making speculating claims that are thousands of years old is simply propaganda. Both sides have blood on their hands, but one is indigenous, and the latter is not. To claim that Israeli people are indigenous to Palestine is a slap in the face to the Palestinians dying for their land and freedom.

  10. The clear bias towards the Israelian government in this post and its utter lack of attention to the fact that the majority of citizens in Gaza are PALESTINIAN is abhorrent. Where is the vigil for Palestinian victims? 91 of which are children? Where is the condemnation of the Israelian government’s human rights violations in the area? The government isn’t even allowing Palestinians to leave the area, is denying civilians in the area access to food and water, and has even called for the Gaza strip’s destruction. Why is it that in this situation, the mass war crimes that Israel is calling for in the area, as well as its ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the Nakba of 1948? The lives lost by Hamas’ attack on the Gaza are devastating. I do not stand with Hamas but I, and the majority of students of color on campus also refuse to stand with the colonizing Government of Israel. Even the Rabbis and many of the Jews in Israel are protesting against the government’s treatment of Palestinians.

    Free Palestine until its backwards.

  11. this phrase,

    ” . . . students supporting Israel and those supporting Palestine also released strongly worded statements defending their side . . . .”,

    strikes me as reductive and overly simplistic in that it elides the complex and mixed emotions of many people affected by this spasm of violence, their awareness of the history that lead to it, and the dread of the future it portends.

  12. Where was all the collective outrage during the 2014 Israeli assault on Gaza?

    A quotation from a report of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees in the Near East:

    “During the 50 days of hostilities lasting from 8 July until 26 August 2014, 2,251 Palestinians were killed; 1,462 of them are believed to be civilians, including 551 children and 299 women. 66 Israeli soldiers and five civilians, including one child, were also killed. Overall, 11,231 Palestinians were injured during the conflict, including 3,540 women and 3,436 children. Roughly one third of these children will have to cope with disabilities lasting throughout life as a result of their injuries. During the conflict, 118 UNRWA installations were damaged, including 83 schools and 10 health centres. In total, over 12,600 housing units were totally destroyed and almost 6,500 sustained severe damage. Almost 150,000 additional housing units sustained various degrees of damage and remained inhabitable. The conflict led to a massive displacement crisis in Gaza, with almost 500,000 persons internally displaced at its peak. During the conflict, 118 UNRWA installations were damaged, including 83 schools and 10 health centres. In total, over 12,600 housing units were totally destroyed and almost 6,500 sustained severe damage. Almost 150,000 additional housing units sustained various degrees of damage and remained inhabitable. The conflict led to a massive displacement crisis in Gaza, with almost 500,000 persons internally displaced at its peak.”

    (https://www.unrwa.org/2014-gaza-conflict#:~:text=During%20the%2050%20days%20of,one%20child%2C%20were%20also%20killed.)

    Yes, they’re only Palestinians…

    Selective moral outrage.

    1. Why should there have been “collective outrage” in 2014?

      The 2014 fighting in Gaza originated with Hamas kidnapping and killing three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank. (Are we seeing a pattern here?) When the IDF went after the Hamas butchers in the West Bank, their brethren in Gaza began bombarding Israeli civilians with rockets fired from Gaza. The IDF took the necessary and moral action to defend Israeli citizens from this barbarity.

      It is no secret to anyone that Hamas intentionally places its terrorists and munitions in civilian locations, effectively using them as human shields. So what we have here is a genocidal terrorist organization that intentionally targets civilians for murder and chooses to put its own people in harm’s way when a defense is mounted. If you really cared about Arab lives, you’d put the blame where it actually belongs, upon Hamas.

  13. (Would you believe that this is the SHORT version of what I wanted to say?)

    The behavior in some of these comments is very strange. Of course BU Today, a magazine that pretty exclusively covers the goings-on at a college several thousand miles away from the Middle East, is not going to release breaking news on-the-minute about international conflict, and will instead (at least ostensibly) focus its reporting about organizations on campus reacting to the issue, which is inherently after-the-fact. I’m also not really sure what more is expected out of BU leadership, as immediately taking one side over the other would be incredibly disrespectful (at best) to entire swaths of the student population, and this is NOT an easy situation to comment on, because yes, shock and awe, it is nuanced. I’m not saying any party in that regard is perfect in their response, but I think people condemning them for it are being maybe a bit dramatic.

    It’s also incredibly and literally laughable that some comments say that this article isn’t showing enough support for Israel, because what, there’s a picture of Gaza in it? Lol, lmao even. In the article that devotes one single sentence to the fact that millions of people are being held captive in their own country and being deprived of food, water and electricity and a whopping four sentences sandwiched in between all of the responses lamenting Israel to the people who are related to or care about the victims of that? Are we reading the same article?

    Anyway, the people who think that this was just a random terrorist attack and that Israel’s response is mere self-defense should, as was suggested, do their research! First look up Nakba (just to start, there’s obviously more that happened between 1948 and now), and then look up Manifest Destiny, and seriously, critically examine whether or not that ideology may be bearing an uncomfortable resemblance to yours.

    Then, instead of arguing on the Internet, please donate to Doctors Without Borders. Thank you~!

  14. I’m a BU alum, and sadly my alma mater has more or less matched the cowardly moral equivalency displayed by multiple other major academic institutions in the US. The use of a photo of damage in Gaza instead of one of the numerous photos of barbarity perpetrated on the Israelis is absolutely disgusting. The quoting of outright lies by the Palestinian student group in this article just serves to perpetuate their side’s support of terrorism and murder,and has no place in an official University piece.

  15. Why though do you have to show a picture of a destroyed building in Gaza instead of showing murdered Israeli babies, young people that were attending a music families, whole families murdered in their houses, girls being raped by Hamas terrorists, grandparents being dragged away. Or just pictures of all the Israeli children who were murdered or kidnapped. Just show pictures of them when they were alive and well if you are afraid that looking at the carnage is to hard to bear. But for once show the Israeli victims!

  16. I find the description of how the “latest conflict” started very problematic. According to your article, it started by Hamas, a military group (why not terrorist group?) holding over 150 Israelis hostage. Then Israel responded with massive air strikes on Gaza and by denying Gazans any food supplies. Now we somehow have over 1600 dead people on both sides.
    You left out a few very essential facts: More than 1400 Israelis, most of them civilians, women, children, the elderly were murdered by Hamas terrorists. Girls and women were raped. In short, horrible atrocities were committed before any air strikes happened. Why did you forget to mention this? Or perhaps was this omitted on purpose?

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