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There are 48 comments on Service, Maintenance Employees Threaten to Strike

  1. It seems that BU must have pretty bad health coverage? Otherwise, why would the staff, who are getting paid more than other places, have reason to strike?

    1. BU has amazing health coverage! Maybe the new local — based in New York — representing these employees is interested in stirring the pot to establish themselves.

  2. At the wage levels BU pays the union members, compared to wages of comparable positions at our peer institutions in the Boston area, they would not be wise to go on strike. If they do, they deserve no support or sympathy from our students, many of whom are not going to be paid as well after graduation as the union members are.

    The union is shooting itself in the foot by describing the employees as being middle class. It is only BU’s generous wage and overtime compensation which puts them in the middle class. Custodial employees are not usually considered middle class unless they work for an employer as generous as BU.

    A note on picket lines. Strikers on a picket line are not allowed to stand still and obstruct access to buildings and BU facilities, they have keep moving.

    1. The union is anticipating support from students because, well, they are a union. The students who support their demands will likeky be the same ones complaining about the tuition increase next year.

  3. 45-60,000 with benefits sounds like an excellent salary for unskilled labor. I imagine this is more than many adjunct and associate professors, who are required to have 10+ years of post-secondary education and teaching experience. I normally support union actions, but this is strange to me.

      1. It explicitly says in the article that the average salary of these workers is 50k exclusive of overtime. They DON’T have to work overtime to make ends meet, unless they’re living well above a middle-class lifestyle.

  4. I know for a fact that many of the SEIU Custodial and maintenance members can take home up to $90k/year for basic services DUE to all the OT they take. it is like BU has to keep up with their OT quotas, they are making false allegations claiming “BU is still not willing to give a cost of living increase to the workers and our families. That will cause workers and families to fall behind.” look at the FSR cost just to setup a table for a small event. BU should consider out sourcing custodial and maintenance services as other colleges in Boston has, let these ungrateful people take the SEIU benefits not BU’s benefits package…then they will have a good reason to cry out!

  5. Sounds like the new union is trying to make a highly visible public statement about its size and power, most likely in advance of trying to do more organizing in the local area.

  6. “If they do, they deserve no support or sympathy from our students, many of whom are not going to be paid as well after graduation as the union members are.”

    A starting salary after college and a living salary to support a family are very different. I graduated in May and make less than these workers, but I don’t have a spouse or children to support. There’s a bigger picture to think about here beyond just the numbers.

    1. It’s all about numbers. If you and others like you feel so strongly that unskilled labor and trade work at BU should be more lucrative than the expected salaries of many BU graduate degree holders than you are free to donate all or a portion of your starting salary to their “living salary.” Many of BU’s graduates do, in fact, have spouses and families to support and upon graduating are often saddled with a six-figure student loan debt (like myself). I think I’ve done my part to pay BU gardeners more than my teacher-parents that sent me to school here.

      In reality, I’m astonished at even the current salaries BU union workers are earning. It seems wise to counsel incoming liberal arts students that a “degree” in the custodial arts at BU is likely a much more profitable path.

      1. Education is important, but it doesn’t make one more deserving of ANYTHING let alone a comfortable life. It is more than just numbers. Believing that it isn’t is a sheer lack of compassion and understanding. My point is not about who makes more doing what but rather about understanding that someone else’s struggles are just as valid as my own no matter how many degrees I have (per The 99.999% below).

    2. There are many bigger pictures. The one you are advocating is that just because someone has a family, they should be paid more for the same work. That hardly seems fair (another big picture). People have choices to make and consequences of those choices to live with. One choice is to strike. The business also has a choice, not to pay even more above market value than they already are.

      As BU has no issue raising tuition by more than inflation every year, they should have no issue paying a standard cost of living increase, they just arent obligated to do so. (Big picture that the students need to think about).

  7. Honestly, I’m normally for the raise of wages, but reading how much the salary at BU is for someone doing unskilled labor I don’t think it’s reasonable. Yes, it’s a tough job, but these people are making more than some of us will make post-grad with a degree from an excellent university. I also know the cost of living in Boston is high, but $60,000 a year is a lot of money, way more than people with comparable jobs in other places make.

  8. BU provides a several options for health care plans allowing employees to choose the best option for their particular circumstances. I agree with Skeptical that I normally support Unions but in this case I don’t think I can. The Union wages, particularly for unskilled labor, are excellent by any standard, and well above the average. As well, any BU employee can take advantage of BU’s excellent Tuition Remission benefit allowing them 4 free credits per semester and only having to pay 10% for the next four. Along with that, they are also eligible to send their children to BU for a substantially reduced cost. To sum up: workers currently getting paid well above average, with excellent benefits, with generous amounts of sick time & time off, with educational benefits = a good deal. The signs reading “good jobs” and “respect” are describing what the workers already have. It would be sad for this new Union to shoot themselves in the foot and endanger the liveliehoods of the workers they are supposed to be protecting.

  9. This is either a case of horrible union intervention or bad reporting. BU officials make a very good case for the former, but the fact that Rivera is the only person interviewed representing the other side raises some questions about the reporting. What numbers does the union have to support its claims? Everyone has to pay more for health care if it costs more…who is she kidding? And it sounds like the workers are getting an increase, just not a big enough one by Rivera’s standards? What’s the gap? I’m especially surprised, though, that none of the strikers are interviewed. What do the workers have to say?

  10. Ha! BU pays only about $50k for an advanced postdoctoral scholar — this is someone who has a PhD and some experience and is responsible for innovations and generating patents at BU. It’s a shame how those who deserve to be paid more continually get the short end of the stick. Perhaps postdocs should strike too?! :(

  11. I’m sure there are plenty of other people that would be happy to fill those jobs! If the union workers are unsatisfied with ALL of those benefits and the competitive wages, they might consider taking advantage of the tuition remission BU offers them and find another job somewhere else.

  12. Since your making comparisons to other institutions lets make the comparison of how much property BU employees rehabilitate and maintain throughout the year versus the other institutions. How about 1.6 Billion Dollars of Assessable property.(City figures thru Boston Globe)

      1. you would hope so. But it may be like police unions where the union lobbies to keep the number of employees down so that each member can make more via overtime.

  13. As a BU grad student who make *half* what BU’s service workers do, I fully support this action. Everybody deserves a living wage, and good for Local 32BJ for actually pushing for it.

    Our faculty and grad students should do the same.

  14. “BU custodians earn, on average, over $50,000 a year, plus benefits”, “Grounds workers at BU earn $26.16 an hour”

    WOW. I’ve worked on a farm for 13 years, and started at 6$ an hour and currently make 10$ an hour. I guarantee 99% of these custodians and grounds keepers wouldn’t do my job for one second.

    26.16$ an hour! I have a college degree and would love to make anything close to 26 an hour! I can’t even find a real job.

    I invite any of these custodians and ground keepers to come down to my farm and shovel literally tons of pheasant crap out of our coups. They they will be begging to come back to BU and rake leaves for 26$ an hour.

    Out of touch.

  15. Actually students should strike as well to stop the rising BU tuition. Whatever increasing cost that happens at BU will ultimately be passed down to students in the form of tuition rise. Students are actually at the bottom of this food chain.

  16. This article leaves out a lot of information. I would like to know how much health care benefits cost for the average worker are currently and how much they are likely to change if the worker has to go elsewhere for coverage. And I would also like to see the breakdown of how pay is distributed, not just the average salary. There are clearly some high roller s making 80+ grand a year. I’m not so worried about them as much as the people at the low end of the scale. How much overtime does one have to work to reach the 50 or 60 grand mark? Overtime should be an occasional necessity, not a requirement to make a living wage (as is too often the case now with many employers). With regards to Boston being an expensive place to live, that is a quandary that every worker and student in this city has to face. I son’t sympathize much with this argument. You do get access to a lot of conveniences and benefits that people in the burbs or rural areas just don’t have. In any case, a link to more information with regard to employee pay and benefits would be nice. As a student, I don’t think it’s unreasonable for me to have this information. I’d also be interested in what administrators and other faculty make as well.

  17. Having worked at BU for these last 5 years, I appreciate the generous benefits offered by the university. Working in the real world for over 35 yrs. I’ve seen how most businesses (don’t, or can’t offer) the benefits that BU does. SEIU and it’s members must understand that due to the Affordable Care Act, Obama Care, (The Candidate They Endorsed), no company can guarantee it’s health costs for 4 years. It’s impossible! I hope a contract is agreed upon before the deadline. Otherwise I’m coming to work next week either way!

    1. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT! So glad to hear the voice of someone who is affected by this! Do you get the sense that your opinion is that of the majority or the minority of your peers? Since the article is silent on the perspective of the service workers, I’m curious what they/you think of all this.

  18. As a non-union staff member, I do not get a cost of living wage increase. I don’t get paid overtime and none of us work a strict 40 hour work week anymore. Boston is one of the most expensive cities in the country. I cannot afford to live here, nor do I expect to. Boston become unaffordable a long time ago. BU pays us, but it cannot build affordable housing or lower the cost of rent, transportation, energy, or health care.

    If anyone thinks that the Cadillac tax on health insurance that kicks in in 2018 will not affect everyone, that person is delusional.

  19. Before you jump to conclusion after reading An article in a BU paper maybe you should get both sides of the story! BU is a good place to work, but we are looking for a fair contract if you are going to compare us to other schools do it apples for apples! BU is much larger with more students & not to mention tuition is higher! We are not being greedy we are just looking for BU TO BE FAIR! If your not happy with your pay don’t blame the guys willing to stand up for them selfs just stand up for your self!

  20. The figures in this article are misleading. Skilled technicians are part of the SEIU, that means that the average salary doesn’t tell you much. Electricians, carpenters, etc, make more money than many people would assume because they don’t need a college degree. The custodians who clean up the buildings do NOT make 60k. Here’s the pay scale: http://www.bu.edu/hr/home/managers-toolkit/compensation/salary-structure/ . wages are not keeping up with inflation! It’s a national problem. There’s very little room for advancement at the university, so a custodian making $23.10 an hour will only get a 2% living wage increase, while inflation is 3% or more.

    Also, as to the question of healthcare, BU is bound to make changes due to the Affordable Care Act, but these changes will be applied across the university. They want higher deductibles, which puts more monetary pressure on employees. and this WILL be applied to every employee, professor or secretary.

    Finally, this article could be a bit more balanced, but it is the university’s mouthpiece.

  21. Pro-Union…how much money will be taken out from each SEIU Member on a weekly basis with this new contract? What benefits will the SEIU will be granting their members at BU? Will this new SEIU provide a “Members Only retirement Plan” What good will the SEIU union do for the economy of our city and tuition assistant dependent students? Where are the financial records of the SEIU union? how much money will SEIU they get out the contract?

  22. As a BU employee and union member, I understand the importance of a union. I also understand that BU requires at least an associates degree for many of its administrative and clerical jobs. These jobs all start off at far less an hour than the minimum of a custodial position. It’s tough to feel bad for these guys when it takes forever for my heater to be fixed in the winter or my trash to be taken out when I have a master’s degree, a good deal of them can’t even speak conversational English are making almost 10k a year more than me, and they are still demanding more money. I’m all for unions, guess I’m just jealous and I wish I was in a good one.

  23. I support the custodians in their quest for wage increases…50000 to 60000 a year is not a living wage for persons in Boston especially where the president gets over a million dollars a year and other perks and lives rent free.BU has a lot of money and they should be fair to the people who keep the university running.

  24. Why can’t students, who are paying these people, do some of the custodial and groundskeeping work? How great would $26 an hour be during college? I made $8.25/hr in a lab while I was there.

  25. This article is truly misleading.I am a current employee at Boston University.I would like to say first off that BU is a great place to work.We come from all over Massachusetts and New Hampshire to work at this great facility.We take pride in our work and it shows.We are not looking for raises.We are looking to stay level with the current economy.Every year our healthcare,parking rates,union dues and other fee”s go up.We are being portrayed in negative manner.We are concerned about the future of our healthcare.We wanted answers to what action was being made due to the upcoming changes being set in place at later dates.We are not looking for BU to absorb all costs.Just an agreement on future increases.Our union offers a healthcare plan and we proposed it to BU as an option.We are negotiating our contract we have with BU as we speak.Our current wages are public knowledge.They are based off of prevailing wages set forth by State Departments of Labor or their equivalents.Research our wages with other unions and “city workers” and we are far bellow the current standards.We have scaled down wages due our benefit packages.We are also being referred to as unskilled employee’s.A lot of us carry different license’s we use often in our jobs(Pesticide license’s,Hydraulic license”s and Forklift license to name a few)Call us what you want too but we are far from unskilled.Plenty of us have college degree’s and further education that helps us everyday with our jobs.We have current and prior military that have severed us with great honor.I just wanted to let some of you know some facts before you pass judgement on us all.

  26. I have a “professional/administrative” job at BU and just got a raise so that now I make $60,000/year. No cost of living increase. No overtime. No union. My job requires an advanced degree. I wonder if the union members know that most of the people working in offices make less than they do.

  27. My impression is BU’s workers are doing all right, but I’m dismayed by the tone of some of these comments. “I don’t make half that much” or “Plenty of people would kill for such good benefits” don’t strike me as valid arguments. Because some people don’t make a living wage, then nobody should? What kind of vindictive, downward-spiraling logic is this? That’s like a textile owner in the 1850s telling a seamstress, “You want be paid two cents an hour? Don’t you know there are slaves in Georgia who get zero cents an hour!?” As if that’s sufficient to stop the discussion. The point is everybody who works hard *should* be paid enough to confidently support a family. If you’re not fairly compensated yourself, you should be in *favor* of efforts, by anybody, to raise wages. I especially get a kick out of “I don’t make that much at the farm where I’ve chosen to work for 13 years.” Find a better farm or use your degree to get into a more lucrative career if it truly bothers you so much.

  28. Why are the ground-level BU employees who are the most important part of this discussion relegated to the comments section instead of quoted in the article? Thank you to A Custodian, John, A Proud BU Employee and others for filling a disturbing lack of perspective in a disappointing and panicky piece.

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