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There are 40 comments on The Mumbai Blame Game

  1. Very true!
    I dont know what has happened to the sensible journalism and media ethics that is supporting unilateral attack on one state on faults of non-state actors.

  2. Question is not about countries blaming each other. Question is about strong association of Islam and Muslim world as a whole with todays terrorism. Question is about before mentioned world refusal to take any responsibility for propagation of terrorism.
    Question is about moral relativism allowing to use doublespeak militants instead of terrorists.

  3. “This is the work of nonstate terrorist actors who want these states to be weakened.” You are kidding right? Where do they get the encouragement? Where do these terrorists get the funding? It is obvious that some state is backing them up, which is Pakistan. Please don’t say India is backing them up, because that would mean everyone sponsors terrorism within their own state, something that can’t be further from the truth. Any simpleton could come up with the idea to combat terrorism globally, with joint effort. This is nothing new. This is something that has been doing since early in the war, but the outcome is impossible, because we cannot control the variables between these countries to bring this cohesiveness. Pakistan doesn’t want US to go get terrorists inside their terrorists, Afghanistan does and its paying for it with a massive amount of civilian losses that make your Pakistan’s 1,500 look like nothing. So, don’t throw me that number to show how much Pakistan has suffered, because Pakistan is one country that has actually profited from after 9-11 events than more than being hurt. This is not a “blame game”, but a categorical imperative in which we define the root of the cause and solve. This is not a game but something serious in which people have lost lives.

  4. Okay, exactly what about the indian view now, since the pakistani view has been said. I am no indian, but as I recall, Pakistan used to be a part of India. Maybe they should have never separated because of the damm British. And all those people in India and Pakistan wouldn’t be dying if Pakistan just let go of an area they were never supposed to have, Kashmir. Also, if trying to get an opinion on India, you should ask someone from India who is there, not just a professor who is from someplace else. What about the countless number of American soldiers we forget to mention. Before we start talking about India and Pakistan, lets mourn on our own troops. After all, Indian troops won’t come save us and give us freedom.

  5. Adil is absolutely correct in his assessment that terrorism needs to be addressed by the global community, and not unilaterally as the USA is attempting now. I would love to hear what he thinks about the US’s drone attacks within Pakistan; attacks which are clear violations of Pakistani sovereignty and of which are creating increasing animosity toward the US.

    That being said, obviously the US needs to be conducting these drone attacks because they are effective, but wouldn’t it be much better to have the Pakistani government on board?

    These terrorists have never been so organized or well funded as now — just as the rest of the world is falling into increasing disorganization and financial collapse. Unless we come together and act as a collective and swift coalition, not only will we continue to see these things happen overseas, but I’m afraid the next mall bombing or hotel hostage situation will be here.

  6. What a double speak…call this guy a specialist!

    This is Musharaff brand of talk . Have the cake and eat it too! Lies…lies…and more lies…The other blogger is right – Pakistan has practiced it for a long time now it is sending specialists like this guy.

  7. As a BU student, I look forward to the BU Today email in my inbox everyday. Today, as a BU student from India, I am highly disappointed that BU Today has chosen to publish a perspective that is completely one-sided and simply echoes the “talking points” of the Pakistan government.

    The title of this article should be – “Islamic terrorist attack in Mumbai” or some such title to the same effect rather than diminishing the barbaric acts to a silly India-Pakistan squabble.

    In the aftermath of an obvious act of Islamic terrorism, it if deplorable the BU Today chose to interview a BU Professor originally from Pakistan without publishing a perspective of an Indian with personal ties to Mumbai.

    Adil has cast doubts on the origin of the terrorists. The terrorist who has been caught has confessed these terrorists were trained in Pakistan by Lashkar-e-Taiba. The FBI has confirmed this and so has the US government. Now who trained Lashkar-e-Taiba? One google search will tell you that it was Pakistan’s intelligence agency ISI. While it has now become a Frankenstein that is causing trouble for Pakistan itself, it is time for Pakistan to destroy it.

    Simply put, Pakistan must follow though its commitments and bring the terrorists to justice. Today these terrorists struck downtown Mumbai. If not eliminated, they will strike downtown London, downtown New York or who knows where else.

  8. Anybody who says that ISI and Pakistani government is not involved is just making a self mockery. Though there are no direct proofs (As any spy agency action should be), the entire world knows the firm support of the Pakistanis for terrorism.

    India has long been taken for a ride by the inadequate actions by its neighbor and now it’s doing the same to the US govt. As many reports claim, ISI is using the US funding for its own gain and even sharing the critical FBI intelligence with their terrorist counterparts.

    The earlier the world (including Pakistan) recognizes the menace, the better it is for the entire humanity.

  9. This interview has completely offended me. Adil Najam’s tone is defensive and he lacks empathy for what the people in Mumbai have gone through. It’s also childish to quote a figure of those killed in Pakistan when talking about another tragedy– it’s like saying “you fell and hurt your knee? That’s nothing! I fell and broke my arm, scraped my knee and lost a tooth.” Totally irrelevant.

    After heavy investigation, the Indian officials AND the FBI suspect that the terrorists came from Karachi. They did not say the Pakistani government was behind this- they just concluded that the terrorists came from Pakistan by boat. The people in the hotels even heard them speaking Urdu.

    The Chief Intelligence of Pakistan was supposed to come to India and help with the investigation, but he didn’t show up! Adil talks about countries working together in assistance? That won’t work if Pakistan doesn’t cooperate with anyone!

    It’s a shame that these days Islam is synonymous with terrorism, because there are so many moderate/liberal muslims. But fundamental Islamic groups make it hard for the world NOT to associate terrorism with Islam, because it seems like they are on a killing rampage of anything Western.

    I feel bad for moderate muslims, however, I do think that they need to stand up to the fundamentalist base in the community. They need to speak out against fundamentalism and make their voices heard. I’ll bet all the moderate muslims could overpower the fundamentalists.

    I agree that this is a global issue, not just an Indian-Pakistani issue or a U.S issue. But I do think that the Pakistani government should not stubbornly deny their country’s involvement in international acts of terror. It’s counterproductive. They don’t want to uphold their reputation as “an international migraine.”

  10. There is no “blame game” going on, only common sense and logical inferencing. The real question is to what degree Pakistan’s government is responsible for the attacks. It would be jumping to conclusions to argue that Pakistan ordered the attacks or is directly responsible for them. However, there is no doubt that Pakistan’s inablility to control its own intelligence service played a significant role in these attacks. Not only that, but Pakistan has allowed Mumbai ganglord Dawood Ibrahim to hide out in Karachi for years since he was kicked out of Dubai. It would not be much of a stretch to suggest that either the ISI or Ibrahim armed the men who participated in the attacks. Why is it that the tough questions cannot be asked these days without oversensitive cries of “blame game?”

  11. I don’t understand how an interview can be a “lopsided article.” It’s an interview – of course it shows one point of view.

    There is a blame game. It’s silly to say there isn’t. There are Indians protesting outside the Taj Mahal insisting the Pakistani government is behind it. The Pakistani government is insisting it is non-state actors. There are still many components of this attack that need to be explored. Let us not pretend to know everything when, in essence, we still know very little.

  12. C’mon guys. You must have known that there is no way that people can take this article seriously knowing that it was written from a Pakistani perspective. And I have a feeling you’re not going to publish an article tomorrow with the Indian perspective. If you wanted something truly unbiased, get a Caucasian to write an article on the Mumbai attacks. Otherwise, this is just an extension of your so-called blame game.

  13. Dear Pakistan,

    The terrorists were trained in Pakistan. The group responsible for this is still based in Pakistan. Get them or we will come and get them. Are you with us or against us?

    The World

  14. “It’s an interview – of course it shows one point of view”. Sure, we expect the Pakistani to support his own country. What is disappointing is who BU Today chooses to interview.

  15. You article here shows the true face of Islam. I do not want to spoil it with the religious context here but Yeah: It is a stated fact that more than 80% of terrorist attacks have the Islamic impingement on a global context. Most of the militant groups hail from Islamic countries and no one denies the fact. You are spoiling your reputation as a sensible learned professor by defending yourself and saying certain things which clearly brings out the dogma inside you. It is a well established fact that India do not harbor terrorism. We are a non-violent nation and we have always been like that. It is the sole reason as to why our democracy never failed. Amidst all poverty and lower living standards, people are never fighting for resources. Every community, right form the lower end of the spectrum to the higher end enjoys their own little freedom in terms of resources, food and security.
    To state the recent facts, it is now proven, hence rejecting your blame-game, that Pakistan is truly responsible behind this attack. Be it the Pakistani soil in which they were getting trained at numerous LeT camps, or be it the ex-army officials who took special pride in training these people for committing such hideous crime, it will always boil down to the specific state who is responsible for all this. If the Pakistani government is not aware of it, then every single official should resign and every single Islamic fundamentalist group should be ousted. I do not blame the common man, the learned civilized society staying in Pakistan, but it truly brings out the rage in me when i see/hear learned men falling on the same “trap” as the other ignorant defiant fools. The trap here is “No Pakistan is never responsible for any of this”. You know it , we know it and the whole world knows the fact. Unless you mend your own self, how can you even think about mending a state?

    Also see the latest story here at:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/12/03/india.attacks/index.html

  16. Mumbai carnage was carried out by RSS and hindu fundamentalists. This is true if any sane person looks at it rationally. Who i sto gain from this incident. What does Pak Govt or Pak secret service gain from this? Absolutely nothing.

    What does RSS & their brothers gain…..a lot. Investigations against terrorist indian army colonel have been stopped or have been put on back burner. The officer investigating the terrorist indian army colonel and his team have been killed.
    Hindu fundamentalists in india have got upper hand in country politics which may be decisive in next years elections.

    Can anybody tell me if Lashkar gained an iota of what RSS gained?

  17. What about non-state terrorist acts within India???
    What about about Gujrat violence, attack on christians by zealots, have they been apprehended?
    No state India or Pakistan supports terrorists like Lashkar-e-Tayiba or Shiv Sena and their ilk.
    No sane Indian or Pakistani supports such miltiants/zealots weather Hindu or Islamists.
    This overall attack by so-called educated individuals here on Muslims on the whole reflects badly on India’s secular stance.

  18. We can’t come together globally? You guys need to come down from your towers and see what’s really happening down below and know the limitations of what you can do. The world cannot provide electricity and security to Baghdad and Kabul which are the hearts of where terrorists are being fought and you want to come together globally to fight terrorism? How can a country like Pakistan say they are fighting terrorism when their ISI gets caught promoting the bombing of the Indian embassy in Afghanistan? There is no way certain countries such as Pakistan would ever unilaterally engage in fighting terrorism because they have too much to profit from it. So, what is the UN doing? Is this body scratching their behinds in Iraq and Afghanistan? Aren’t they putting a multinational effort to fight terrorism in those countries? The truth is that certain countries like Pakistan and others do not want to engage in such actions because they have so much to gain. The world is losing the fight against terrorism because of the Pakistan’s of the world. Until we realize that fighting terrorism cannot be done unilaterally and blame and hold such countries responsible, the world’s loss will continue. The world should not allow Pakistan to duck and fade after their horrid acts against the world and humanity.

  19. I hope the comments here are not by BU students because that would make me lose faith in my Alma Mater.

    Have we really stopped teaching people how to read?

    Nowhere in this is the professor defending the ISI or blaming the Indian government. He is saying the opposite. That these are non-state actors and you do not deal with them by falling back to state-based tactics. If they came from Pakistan they are the same people who have been doing terrorism IN Pakistan. Pakistan should work with India to fight them and India should work with Pakistan to fight them. THE TERRORISTS ARE THE COMMON ENEMY.

    He is saying clearly that we need to go after the terrorists. By grinding old axes we only distract ourselves from the real issue, which is fighting terrorism.

    My own government (I am from India) is saying the same thing. That we need Pakistan’s cooperation in fighting terrorism and we need American cooperation in fighting terrorism. This professor is saying the same, so this is more Indian perspective than Pakistani.

  20. The blame game, as Dr. Adil Najam has suggested above, must stop. We are living in an age where the slightest provocation might lead to the worst scenario on the global stage of international events. This is not the time when battles were restricted to battlefields or war grounds. This is a dangerous and diabolical era where irresponsible statements and attitudes and baseless allegations — centred on making political gains — can lead to catastrophies involving mass populations worldwide. This is a global neighbourhood where even the only superpower — the U.S…as it claims to be — can end in disintegration by one false move made by its leadership or policy makers or by those who garner and shape its interests in the international scheme of things….India may matter more to the U.S.A. at the moment politically…because of the nuclear deal made with the present Indian government….but Pakistan IS STRATEGICALLY MORE IMPORTANT….where the U.S. is fighting a war it has not been able to win so far…be it with the Al Qaeda or the Taliban or with insurgents from any anti-American territory. Obama’s new policy makers MUST NEVER IGNORE THIS BASIC REALITY while trying to save their interests in an attempt to resolve the volatile situation. And the Indian leadership MUST also know and ACCEPT that a nuclear Pakistan can wreak havoc if things, God forbid, worsen to that point.

  21. This was an extremely lopsided article. I am very disappointed with BU Today for being so irresponsible to the sentiments of Indians. If a Pakistani is interviewed he would but naturally evade the fact that these terrorists are harbored by their country.
    Why didn’t BU Today interview an Indian considering the fact that this atrocity has been committed in India. And the fact that some think that this act has been committed by RSS and Hindu fundamentalists is laughable. This theory is so far fetched, quite the imagination some have.

  22. He seems to be saying exactly what Condi Rice said in Islamabad today. India, stop turning this into old India-Pakistan bashing. Pakistan, cooperate fully and transparently so the world can believe you. I think this is good advice from Prof. Najam and also from Dr. Rice.

  23. The guys involved in the attack – the one alive is from pakistan and he has claimed the rest to be from pakistan or trained in pakistan. Pakistan is facing some taste of its own abettment of terrorism which it is using to project itself as a hapless victim of the same.

    Even if most people from pakistan start carrying out these attacks, the govt will not claim responsibility for individual actions…and US will continue its political indifference.Pakistan is a rogue state. It seems US doesnt learn to call a spade a spade even after 9/11

    If pakistan means what it says about pledging against terrorism it should first extradite Dawood and hand him over to India…

    So if there is another attack in India it cant have pak’s invovlement since its considered a cliche or a knee jerk.. So now on since the sun rises in the east every day.. Sometimes we have to say it rises in the west just so that it doesnt become a cliche of a natural phenomena

  24. Pakistan is a failed state. Within the last year, leaders have been shot (Bhutto), groups of terrorists have launched attacks from its shores (the LeT last week), and all the while, Osama bin Laden has been suspected to be hiding along the border of Afghanistan. In the context of such blatant incapacity for self-policing, Pakistan has become a sponge for poisonous organizations. Pakistan must acknowledge the profound depth of its problems, and must work with the international community to purge itself of this scourge.

    While I agree with Dr. Najam and applaud him for calling attention to the potential dangers of post-terrorist attack jingoism, I find this article woefully inadequate as it does not embrace the facts that are known about the terrorists who acted last week, but instead glosses over them and devotes its entire focus to saying blaming Pakistan is unproductive. Moreover, I was dismayed by the article’s lack of any sorrowful language to communicate empathy for the people of Mumbai, and I think the title is misleading and insensitive.

  25. Just because the monster of terror that pakistan created is coming back to bite it , doesnt mean taht pakistan did not create it and is not using as a bargaining tool to meet it ends. Be it the balance of power on the indian subcontinent , kashmir , afganistan ( we know who aided taliban all these years after the russians left ) , or for the matter , asking america for more aid to fight terror.

    indeed paying pakistan money to fight terror is like paying someone to commit suicide.

    pakistan has been a rogue nation for a very long time now , and our only hope for this nuclear powered unstable nation is that democracy helps it stabalize.

    praying for the souls who lost their life in bombay and for peace we hope that pakistan and people like Mr. Nazam will come out of denial and see the writing on the wall.

  26. With all due respects to Mr. Najan and the writer ,it would have been a much credible article if views from both side of the table were presented and some cross questioning allowed.

    My kudos to Mr. Najam for being patriotic and defending his nation. it kind of reminds me of when Al capone was dying he said he had always been a ‘good man’. We just cant see our dirty sides, God made us like that.

    So what if the CIA agrees that the same pakistani group is responsible for bombay attacks and the earlier attack on indian parliament. or the fact that all the terrorists on this attack were from pakistan. the empirical evidence from past attacks over the past 20 years .. Or that ISI was behind the Kabul embassey attacks… the list goes on.

    But I am sure that CIA is no match for a BU professor who just might have “conflicts of interest” when he speaks about how non violent his country is.

  27. The person who claims that RSS and the hindu fundamentalists created the attack probably also thinks that the 9/11 attacks were a creation of CIA and Christian Coalition

  28. I am flabbergasted.

    Here is someone speaking sensibly and sensitively about a human tragedy and saying exactly what the Indian as well as the US government are saying. That this is non-state terrorism and that India and Pakistan need to cooperate on finding out who is behind this.

    This is exactly what the Indian government is saying. And yet some people are ganging up on him just because he is from Pakistan or worse because he is a Muslim. Is this what BU has come to!

    He is actually taking on the government of Pakistan by demanding real cooperation from them and this is what he gets. I am getting ashamed of being from BU. Maybe these people are saying that they are also insulted by the Indian government and by the US government.

  29. It makes me sad to see how many Indians hate Pakistan. I guess the terrorists were successful in their objective after all. Look at us, we’re already at each other’s throats!

  30. I cannot believe this professor saying that this act is by ‘non-state” people and therefore, the “state” has no responsibility for their acts. The non-state people eat and drink and use the resources of Pakistan and it’s tax payer’s money. Just imagine for a moment, some crazy skin-heads (SHs) or members of KKK from the U.S going and attacking Jews in Israel or Blacks in Kenya because these countries harbor people that some SHs choose to hate. It is speculative but just think for a moment…can Condoleeza Rice (as an academic) go around and say…Oh..these are “non-state” people from the U.S.?

    Adil Najam as a professor and an academic has some moral and ethical responsibilities while making statements as he represents a reputable institution of higher learning. He cannot say things that are deeply rooted in prejudice and look at things with jaundiced eyes.

    I think BU should reconsider this guy’s integrity as a scholar – it speaks volumes about the department that hired him.

  31. This man Adil Najam can speak from all sides of his mouth. He said one thing on his blog and something totally different in this interview. He is a chameleon.

  32. Not because he is from Pakistan and definitely not because he is a Muslim, but because he is making very naive sounding, pseudo-peace statements that is letting the Pakistan government completely off the hook and he is doing so in the capacity of a Boston University “scholar”. Reading his statements, people are also upset that BU chose to hire him and BU Today chose to publish his interview before reporting anything about the terrorist acts.

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