| 1410.020 |
1410 |
Common Pleas |
Detinue of writings |
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| Hil. |
11 |
Hen. 4 |
20 |
45b-47a |
Tremaine, John Sjt (for D)
Hankford, William JCP
Hill, Robert JCP Hull.
Hankford, William JCP
Norton, Richard Sjt
Thirning, William CJCP
Horton, Roger Sjt
Hill, Robert JCP
Skrene, William Sjt
Thirning, William CJCP
Norton, Richard Sjt
Hankford, William JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hankford, William JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hankford, William JCP
Hill, Robert JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hankford, William JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hill, Robert JCP
Hankford, William JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hankford, William JCP
Tildesley, Thomas Sjt Till. (? died)
Hill, Robert JCP
Horton, Roger Sjt
Hill, Robert JCP
Skrene, William Sjt
Thirning, William CJCP
Hankford, William JCP
Thirning, William CJCP
Hill, Robert JCP
Hankford, William JCP
Hill, Robert JCP
Hankford, William JCP |
Arches |
Sir Ralfe |
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Statham Detenu 23
Fitzherbert Executours 56 (not 65)
Brooke Detinue 19 (not 10), Respondre 15 (not 14 Hen. 4), Executors 52 |
cross-referenced in 1366.003 = Hil. 40 Edw. 3, pl. 3, fol. 2a-2b
cross-referenced in margin of 1389.061am = Trin. 13 Ric. 2, pl. 14, Ames 9-11
Vide Hil. 17 Edw. 3, fol. 9 & 17
1412.002 = Hil. 1
3 Hen. 4, pl. 2, fol. 12 (pla.)
le case de Talbot 'de rationabili parte bonorum', il fuit adjudge, que l'un respondre sans l'auter |
9 Edw. 3 (1335), [stat. 1,] ch. 3
Gloucester (1278), ch. 10 (l'equity de le statute) |
| Ralfe Arches Chivalier port briefe de Detinue vers iii. executors, les ii. viendront per |
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Two defendant executors came by the Grand Distraint, and the third defendant executor defaulted.
Plaintiff counted against the two defendants.
Defendants pleaded they ought not answer without their companion executor.
By statute, they were required to answer. |
Thirning CJCP: detinue des escripts; si un auncestor devy, l'heire prendre ses charters touchant l'enheritance, sans liverer de les executors; quecunque que soit en possession de mon escript, ou per bailler, ou que il trovast en le chymin, j'avera accion vers luy per le possession, & le detainer
Sjt Norton: ils sont empeches per lour fait demesne; per mesme le reason 'via versa'
Sjt Horton: il covient de necessity de eux nosmer executors; un escript obligatory sur condicion; le privity enter eux & lour testator
Hill JCP: si un executor happe le possession d'ambideux; il arde l'escript; Nient merveil
Hankford JCP: ils apres son mort happent le possession; sur le possession d'executor l'action est fondue; le statute parle en briefe de det; mesme le mischief, que fuit al common ley; il est en case semble d'estre remedy per statute; cest parl de briefe de dette & detinue est tout un; un escript fuit livere per endenture a lour testator, que aver en son vie arse le fait; De trespass il est voier, pur ceo que l'action morust ove le person (Maxim, in Latin Actio moritur cum persona); si jeo bail un Chartre, que appertient a R. Hill, a un testator, jeo n'avera my accion vers ses executors sans especialty; si jeo avera mon liver (= personal compilation of Year Book material?) icy, jeo le troveray, adjudge que l'un executor en cest case duist responder sans son companion, & auxy vous troves un tiel judgment sovent foits en vostre temps demesne; Graunde diversity est quant home vient al possession d'un escript per son fait demesne, & quant per course de ley; Si un executor prent touts les muniments & Charters apres le mort le testator, & trove mes Charters, & les tyre, & eux getter hors, issint que ils sont pardus; En le case de Talbot 'de rationabili parte bonorum', il fuit adjudge, que l'un respondre sans l'auter |
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Sjt Tildesley died 21 Oct. 1409, so this plea may have been incorrectly dated or 'Till.' may have been misidentifed. |
Maxim: Hankford JCP: In Trespass it is seen, the action dies with the person (Latin: actio moritur cum persona)
Hankford named Robert Hill JCP in a hypothetical about a charter, a testator, and executors.
Hankford JCP: If I had my book here, I would find it adjudged that ...
Hankford JCP's Talbot's case does not seem to be 1400.047 = Mich. 2 Hen. 4, pl. 47, fol. 10b-11a (executors of Sir Thomas Talbot v. Tutbury, scire facias)
The opposite result was reached in a nearly identical situation in 1413.030 = Hil. 14 Hen. 4, pl. 30, fol. 23b-24a and also 1412.002 = Hil. 13 Hen. 4, pl. 2, fol. 12a-12b. Brooke Respondre 15 reports the result in this case and 1413.037 = Hil. 13 Hen. 4, pl. 37, fol. 27b-30a, but dates it 14 Hen. 4.1410.020 = Hil. 11 Hen. 4, pl. 20, fol. 45b-47a |
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Statham Detenu 23, a long entry, added that the detinue was the cause of action, and for charters it appeared that one should have a writ of Detinue without a specialty, because the testator could not wage his law, etc.
Jenkins 78 (2nd century, case 51), 145 Eng. Rep. 55: 14 H. 7, 27. 21 H. 6, 1. 39 E. 3, 5. By the judges of both Benches. Detinue is brought against two executors for goods left in the possession of the testator; one of them appears upon the distress 2 the other makes default: he who appeared shall answer without the other, by the equity of the statute of 9 E. 3, ch, 3, which makes this provision in debt against executors. Ubi eadem ratio est, ibi eadem lex. Executors by representation are the same person with the testator. |
Sjt Tildesley died 21 Oct. 1409, so this plea may have been incorrectly dated or 'Till.' may have been misidentifed. |
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