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1425 |
Common Pleas |
Debt on an obligation |
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Strangeways, James Sjt (for D)
Rolf, Thomas Sjt (for Ps)
Strangeways, James Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Cokayn, John JCP Cokain
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Babington, John CJCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Strangeways, James Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Browne or Broune, Thomas Clerk of CP Brown
Cokayn, John JCP Cokain
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Browne or Broune, Thomas Clerk of CP Brown
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Strangeways, James Sjt
Babington, William CJCP
Strangeways, James Sjt
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Strangeway, James Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Paston, William Sjt or Preston, John de JCP Paston
Martin, John JCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt
Martin, John JCP
Rolf, Thomas Sjt |
Herle |
Thomas, Vicar of C. |
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A., N., yeoman
B., R. |
Henry IV, King of England
Pope, the |
C. or T., church of
A., religious house of
Lincoln (Nichol), county of
Northumberland, county of |
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Statham Addicion 1, Nonnabilite 2
Fitzherbert Nonhabilite 1, Estoppel 16, Dett 14 (not in margin) & 15 (not in margin), Judgement 3 (not in margin),
Brooke Nugation 1, Nonabilitie 2, Moigne 1, Estopell 2 (not fol. 25), Obligation 3, Addicions 3, Variance 5 (not in margin) |
cross-referenced in 1484.047 = Mich. 2 Ric. 3, pl. 47, fol. 18b-20a, at fols. 19b-20a per Sjt Townshend or Mordaunt
Dt. Devant fol. 14
7 Hen. 4, fol. 2
14 Hen. 8, fol. 16b
22 Hen. 6, fol. 59
28 Hen. 6, fol. 2, 3
9 Edw. 4, fol. 31, 44
11 Hen. 4, fol. 1, 2
12 Hen. 4, fol. 17
34 Hen. 6, fol. 2
38 Hen. 6, fol. 4
14 Hen. 8, fol. 18, 19
21 Hen. 7, fol. 40
4 Hen. 6, fol. 32
43 Edw. 3, fol. 10
Puis, fol. 38
4 Hen. 6, fol. 5
45 Edw. 3, fol. 10
11 Hen. 4, fol. 25
14 Hen. 4, fol. 10, 31
49 Edw. 3, fol. 4
48 Edw. 3, fol. 26
16 Hen. 7, fol. 7
44 Edw. 3, fol. 4
Infra, fol. 37
7 Hen. 4, fol. 1
Dt. Devant fol. 15
21 Edw. 4, fol. 95
18 Edw. 4, fol. 4
39 Edw. 3, fol. 1
5 Edw. 4, fol. 6
11 Hen. 6, fol. 43, 44
2 Hen. 4, fol. 1
28 Hen. 6, fol. 9
9 Hen. 6, fol. 1
31 Edw. 3, Lib. Ass. pl. 1
Dt. Devant fol. 17
2 Hen. 4, fol. 24b
49 Edw. 3, fol. 21b
22 Hen. 6, fol. 50
18 Edw. 3, fol. 23
4 Hen. 6, fol. 23
30 Edw. 3, Lib. Ass. pl. 30
7 Hen. 6, fol. 32
19 Hen. 6, fol. 3
7 Hen. 4, fol. 2
32 Hen. 6, fol. 36b
44 Edw. 3, fol. 4
32 Hen. 6, fol. 6, 36
Perkings, Profitable Boke 96
14 Hen. 4, fol. 10
11 Hen. 7,fol. 18
14 Hen. 8, fol. 19
Perkins, Profitable Boke 11
22 Hen. 6, fol. 4
21 Edw. 3, fol. 59 |
4 Hen. 4 (1402), ch. 12 |
| Thomas Herle Vicar del Eglise de C. & auters personnes porte brief de Debte sur un obligation de xx l |
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Defendant pleaded that plaintiff Herle entered into religious profession as a canon.
Plaintiff replied that by the deed defendant was obliged to plaintiff Herle as vicar, by which defendant accepted that he was a secular person.
Cokayn JCP told plaintiff to reply again.
Plaintiff replied that defendant had not alleged whether plaintiff professed before or after making the deed.
The opinion of the Court was that defendant's plea was good.
Plaintiffs asked defendant what he pleaded against the other plaintiffs.
Defendant made defence (pleaded not guilty) and demanded hearing of the writ.
The writ was read.
Defendant pleaded that the writ named the other plainitffs 'yeomen' and the obligation did not.
The Court asked the clerk what the obligation stated.
The clerk said that it was as defendant rehearsed.
Cokayn JCP told plaintiff he would take nothing by his writ.
Then the clerk read the obligation again, and said that it was worded differently.
This was shown to plaintiffs' counsel.
The Justices read the obligation, and found it thus.
They adjudged that defendant should answer to plaintiffs.
Defendant pleaded as before that plaintiff Herle was professed, and the other plaintiffs joined with one not able to sue, so the writ should abate.
Plaintiff Herle replied that he was vicar by presentment of the religious house to a perpetual vicarage, not under obedience.
Plaintiff amended his reply to add that vicars of C. had impleaded and been impleaded, and that plaintiff Herle was presented before the statute of 1402. |
Sjt Strangeways (for D): T. Herle un des plaintiffs tiel jour entra en la Meason de A. en la Countie d' Nichol', & la prist l'habit d'un Canon, & illonques il fuit professe; les auters entant que ils ont commence lour suite ove un tiel qui n'est my personel (should be 'able') de user action, nous demandons Jugement, & prions que tout le brief abatera
Sjt Rolf (for P): par le quel vous accepte un person seculier, & person able d'aver avantage del fait; il ad plede l'entre ien Religion & profession generalment; s'il fuit professe devant, donque l'obligation est bon a cel entente que l'Abbe avoit bon acceptance sur ceo en sur nom, come le barron en le nom de sa feme; purra estre la un Vicarie en perpetuite, & hors de chacun obedience; le predecessor cel Vicar or plaintiff fuit un Concanon del dit Meason de A.; come Viarie en perpetuties; ceo prove que par ceo il est devenu person able pur user action envers cesty que fuit son Soveraine; le moine est fait Vicar de T. & la est fuit le chief de cel' Vicarie pur terme de sa vie
Martin JCP: Si jeo face un obligation a ma feme par estrange nom, si ele porte brief de Debte envers moy sur le fait, serai jeo recu adire que el e est ma feme? Sic hic; le Fin par le quel vous estoppes luy est de record, & issint pur disable luy enconter cel record par le quel il fuit acceptable, ceo n'est colorable, & ceo ne duisses my faire: mes icy en le Cas al barre vous pledes par voye d'estoppel sur fait obligatorie, le quel n'est forsque vostre surmis en un matter en fait; Jeo di verament que jeo ne scay my vray que un Abbe sur un obligation fait a son commoine &c. ou le barron d'un obligation fait a sa feme durant le coverture aver accion sur cel; Pour le surplusage en le brief; nient d'enlarger son mon ne abriger; quand on est discharge de obedience, que il est par ceo fait person able pour user d'action come person seculer, car l'entre en Religion & obedience ne cause ou home estre disable, ou estre un mort persone: mes jeo di que le profesion est tout seulement le cause, & nul autre chose: car un home sera dit obedient auxi tout come il entre en Religion, mes il ne sera dit professe par long temps enapres son entre; donques le profession est tout le cause que un tiel sera dit disable & come mort person; le profession que luy disable soit anulle, le quel nul home peut faire forsque le Supreme teste del Eglise; Mes del obedience, un moine peut estre discharge par l'Archevesque, & par le license de son Soverain
Babington CJCP: Jeo di quil y ad grand diversite perenter l'ou un obligacion est fait a une feme coverte, & ou il est fait a un moine professe: car ou il est fait a une feme coverte, la l' fait est bon, car la la feme coverte est able a touts temps durant le coverture d'aver avantage, car ele purchase jointment ove son baron; un brief ad este porte en lour ambideux noms; Mes ou il est fait a une moine, la le Ley est auter: car il est un mort persone en Ley, & il ne puet aver avantage
writ: Exig- facie W.N. &c. ad respond' T. Herle Vicar (de tiel lieu) N.A. d' tali vila Yoman: & sic de singulis' des plaintiffs ove cest addition Yoman
obligation: 'Noverint me W. de N. teneri &c. T.H. Nic- (de tiel lieu) N.A. de tali villa, R.B. de tali villa &c.' sans cel addition par nom de Yoman
Purque le Court demande de Brown Clerc del Place, coment l'obligacion fuit, & il dit, que il fuit sicome Sjt Strangeways (for D) ad reherce. Purque Cokayn JCP dit a Sjt Rolf. Ne prenes rien pur vostre brief. Et puis Brown regarde l'obligacion melius, & il fuit tiel.
obligation: 'Noverint &c. teneri &c. T Herle 'Viconte' North. de tali villa, & sic 'des auters, & al fin des noms des plaintiffs il y avoit tiel parole 'Yomen', le quel fuit auxi fort & amonte a tant sicome chacun ust este nome Yoman mesque apres lour noms. Ceo il monstra a Sjt Rolf; purque ils reherce ceo. Et les Justices veurent l'obligacion, & troverent que il fuit issint. Purque ils adjudger le defendant dust respondre al les plaintiffz. Sjt Strangeways: Sir le brief est abate, & Jugement sur ceo. Babington CJCP: Tout est un mesme le jour: & pur ceo respondes.
Sjt Paston or Preston JCP: Quand un home est professe, jeo di que il ne peut estre fait person able pur avantage de choses temporels sans le supreme teste del Eglise, come de purchant terre ou d'aver avantage un obligation, ne de nul autre covenant: mes de choses spirituels le Ley est auter; un moine peut estre fait executor, & il aura bon accion de debte come executor, pource que est unchose que touche al spiritualtie; sans le supreme teste |
demand for 20 pounds
Argument that the plaintiff became a monk professed, no longer able to sue.
Comparison of married women to monks
Martin JCP: If I make an obligation to my wife by a strange name, if she brings a writ of Debt against me on the deed, will I be received to say that she is my wife? (rhetorical question, obviously yes)
Sjt Rolf: Sir, if I grant land to a monk by fine by the name of a secular person, will I be received in a Scire facias to say that he is professed? I say no.
Babington CJCP distinguished monks and married women on the grounds that a monk is a person dead in law, and cannot have advantage, while a wife can have advantage; if a monk purchase certain land with another secular person, I say that all the purchase is in the secular person, and if a monk purchase solely, I say that the purchase is void
Martin JCP: For surplusage on the part of the defendant the writ will not abate, but on the part of the plaintiff it is otherwise, for it must agree with the deed or record
The clerk at first said that the obligation was as defendant alleged. Cokayn JCP then told plaintiff to take nothing by his writ. Then the clerk said that the obligation was not as defendant said, and showed it to plaintiff's counsel. The Justices read the obligation. They adjudged that defendant answer. Defendant said he had already received judgment. Babington CJCP said that all was one day.
Plaintiff Herle: the church of C. was the advowson of the House of A., which has since time immemorial presented one of its canons to be vicar
Arguments about obedience, profession, and disability of professed clergy. A monk who as vicar no longer owed obedience to the Abbot was not by that fact made able to sue for debts. All references to the Pope were to 'supreme head of the church'. Only the Pope could nullify profession, but the Archbishop, with license of the Abbot (sovereign) could nullify obedience. Distinction between spiritual things, as to which a professed monk could be made able, and temporal things, as to which a professed monk could not be made able. Serjeants and Justices showed knowledge of canon law at it operated on the clergy.
in 1484.047 = Mich. 2 Ric. 3, pl. 47, fol. 18b-20a, at fols. 19b-20a, Sjt Townshend said that Mordaunt said that an action (was) brought against a vicar of a church, the defendant said that 'he is a monk professed' under the obedience of a (sovereign, superior), etc. and showed the certainty, now it is a good reply, to plead 'he is perpetual', and that he and his predecessors vicars, etc. from time immemorial etc. had been pleadables and had impleaded others, etc. without naming the sovereign |
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1425.002 = Hil. 3 Hen. 6, pl. 2, fol. 23a-24b
Statham Addicion 1 dated this Trin. and stated: it is a good addition, 'Praecipe such a one of the county, yeoman' without naming his vill, and it was said in the same plea, that if one be bound by the name J. of B., of B. in the county of B., it is no plea to say, 'no such vill as F. within the same county', because he is bound by such a name.
Statham Nonnabilite 2, a long entry, dated this Mich., identified the plaintiff as A., vicar of B., and defendant as F., attributed a speech for plaintiff to Sjt Paston, and stated that the Abbot of S. presented, and Babington CJCP mentioned the statute of 4 Hen. 4 (1402), ch. 12
Fitzherbert Nonhabilite 1 dated this Mich. 3 Hen. 6, fol. 23, identified the plaintiff as A., vicar of B., and the defendant as F., and an abbot of S. who presented the vicar.
Fitzherbert Dett 14, a long entry, identified the plaintiff as T. herle, vicar of D, and Sjt Paston distinguished what the Pope and a sovereign (of a religious house) could do. |
Plaintiff Herle was identified as Vicar three times and as Vicount (sheriff) once |
Vicar
Church
Person
Obligation
Entry into Religion
Religious House
County
Habit
Canon
Profession
Demand
Judgment
Answer
Receipt
Deed
Name
Acceptance
Secular Person
Ability
Advantage
Nonability
Wife
Strange Name
Grant
Monk
Fine
Scire Facias
Proof
Case
Estoppel
Record
Disability
Colour
Obligatory Deed
Surmise
Allegation
Reason
Making
Infant
Prison
Imprisonment
Plea
Sufficiency
Understanding
Abbot
Action
Husband
Executor
Pleading
Certainty
Truth
Co-Monk
Coverture
Distinction
Feme Covert
Purchase
Ward
Disadvantage
Dead in Law
Voidance
Opinion
Defence
Hearing
Reading
Exigent
Vill
Yeoman
Addition
Surplusage
Part
Abatement
Agreement
Enlargement
Abridgement
Clerk
Rehearsal
Regard
Sheriff
Strength
Rehearsal
Day
Commencement
Usage
Time Immemorial
Vacancy
Vicarage
Prior
Presentment
Canon
Perpetuity
Obedience
Predecessor
Co-Canon
Matter
Averment
Damages
Denial
Choice
Sovereign
Discharge
Cause
Descent
Friend
Annulment
Homage
Supreme Head
Pope
Archbishop
Licence
Amount
Head
Temporal Chose
Covenant
Spiritual Chose
Ordinary
Parson
Contradiction
Assent
Testator
Amendment
Gift
Advowson
Peril
Statute
Ordinance
Man of Religion
Appropriation
Secular Man
Admittance |
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