| 1468.046 |
1468 |
Common Pleas |
Case, Action on the (Prohibition) |
Assise |
| Mich. |
8 |
Edw. 4 |
13 |
13b-14a |
Nele, Richard Sjt
Catesby, John Sjt
Littleton, Thomas JCP
Moyle, Walter JCP Moile
Jenney, William Sjt Genney
Littleton, Thomas JCP mon Master Littleton (mentioned)
Choke, Richard JCP
Danby, Robert CJCP
the Serjeants
Moyle, Walter JCP Moile |
lord |
of the manor of Dale |
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Fitzherbert Prohibicion 9
Brooke Dismes 11 (not Visne) |
(Fitzherbert,) New Natura Brevium fol. 43 K
38 Hen. 6, fol. 15
13 Hen. 4, fol. 5, 6
Fitzherbert, Natura Brevium 30 c
2? Coke's Reports (Cook) 44
6 Edw. 4, fol. 3 |
statute = perhaps Westminster 2nd (1285), 13 Edw. 1, ch. 5 or perhaps Circumspecte agatis (1285), also 13 Edw. 1, 9th paragraph (prohibition to spiritual court for disputes about right of tithes exceeding one-fourth of the value of the benefice) or perhaps De Conjunctim Feoffatis (Statute of Joint Tenants) (1306), 34 Edw. 1 (1 Stat. Realm 147) (timing of writ called Indicavit) or perhaps Articuli Cleri (1316), 9 Edw. 2, stat. 1, ch. 2 (prohibition of disputes of tithes amounting to one-fourth part of the goods of the church or more) |
| Un port action sur son case, s. que lou il est Seignior del manor de Dale, & il & ses ancestors tient de |
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Plaintiff brought his action on the Case that where plaintiff was lord of a manor, and that plaintiff and his ancestors tenants of the same manor had been acquitted of tithes from the same manor from time immemorial, that certain land had been given to one of defendant's predecessors, that defendant had drawn plaintiff into a plea in Court Christian for tithes from this same manor, on which matter plaintiff rehearsed that the defendant still continued his process in Court Christian, and plaintiff prayed a prohibition.
Defendant (?) replied that one would not have prohibition unless he was impleaded in Court Christian for a thing that would be determined in this Court, and here this matter was a right to tithes. |
(for P:) ont estre quites des dismes 'pratorum terrarum' &c. de meme le manor a temps d' ont memory ne curt, pur certein terre quel fuit done a un de ses predecessors de le defendant & que le defendant pur dismes de meme le manor treit a luy plee en Court Christien, &c. & sur cest matter il reherce que uncore le defendant continua son proces en Court Christien & pria un prohibicion
Sjt Nele: Home n' avera my prohibicion, mes lou il est plede en Court Christien de chose que serra determin en cest Court, & icy cel matter que est sue en Court Christien ne poit estre termin que cest 'de jure decimarum'
Sjt Catesby: Jeo denie vostre case principal, car si home soit endet a moy en xx. li. & fait ses executors, & jeo sue eux en Court Christien, ils averont prohibicion, & uncore sur cel duity jeo ne avera jammes action ciens, car cest fuit sur simple contract, &c.
Littleton JCP: donques il serra reason que pendant cel suit que il averoit un prohibicion, & si soit trove ove le defendant donques de granter Consultacion, sicome lou un parson empleda auter parson de certein dismes que amount a le iiii. part del Esglise, & le p-ve (prove = patron?) de Clerk def. (= defendant) port brief de Droit des dismes, il avera Indicavit de faire le Judges en Court Christien surcessera tanques il soit determin ciens, & un Connsultacion serra grant quant le matter est icy determine, &c., issint icy
Moyle JCP: En vostre case cest per statute, &c.
Sjt Jenney: Quant home est emplede en Court Christien de chose que poit estre termine ciens, donques prohibicion gist, come en le case que mon Master Littleton JCP quant il empleda le parson des dismes, si soit trove ove le plaintiff, l 'advowson de cel party est recovere la en maner, & le droit del advowson poit estre termine icy, mes si jeo & un auter sumus faits executor, & jeo grant a mon compaignion per fait, que jeo ne prende charge del administration sur moy, & puis jeo sue al Ordinary d' estre charge, &c. & mon compaignion sue action de Covenant sur le fait vers moy ciens, il n' avera prohibicion, &c. car son suit icy est sur un act temporal, & ma suit al Ordinary est pur un chose spirituel, per que, &c.; Et auxy si jeo grant a un home per mon fait, que jeo ne suera en Court Christien pur aver un tiel a feme, & puis jeo sue en Court Christien pur luy aver a ma feme, & l' auter sue action de Covenant envers moy ciens, il n' avera prohibition, 'causa qua supra', & issint icy, le suit en Court Christien est pur chose spirituel, & le suit que est icy est sur un composition temporal
Choke JCP: Home ne poit prescriber 'in non decimando', mes 'in modo decimando' il poit bien prescriber, & en cest case si le parsonn ad terre pur ses dismes, donques il est satisfie, car il ad 'quid pro quo', & sir si un parson lesse a moy pur fait touts les dismes de son benefice, & puis pur dismes de mes terres demesnes, jeo sue en Court Christien, & jeo pat action de Covenant vers luy ciens, jeo n' avera prohibition, pur ceo que jeo puis pleda mon barre vers le parson la en Court Christien pur ses dismes en cest case cel composition fuit fait devant temps de memory, & cel prescription ils ne duissent my trier, car lour prescripcion & nostre sont divers, car prescripcion en ley spirituel est conntinuance de possession pur x. ans ou xx. ans, &c. pur que si cest action fuit port sur un composicion fait deins temps de memory, issint que il purra estre pleda la en barre, moy semble que ils n' averont pas prohibicion, mes pur ceo que il est fait devant temps de memory, & cel prescripcion ils ne purront trier, &c. pur que moy semble que prohibition gist, & que il serra trie ciens, &c.
Danby CJCP: Nous ne poiomus scaver si cest soit sufficient discharge des dismes ou nemy, &c. & sir si un parson grant a moy que jeo serra discharge des dismes, & puis il sue envers moy pur les dismes, & jeo port action de Covenant icy envers luy, jeo n' avera my prohibicion, car mon action icy est pur ceo que il fait encounter son fait, le quel est un temporal chose, &c. pur quel jeo recover damages, & sil soit issint que il ad terres pur ses dismes, vous poies plede vostre matter la en le Court Christien, &c.
& les Serjeants disoient que ils ne voillent accepter nul plee en response en discharge des dismes en Court Christien, &c.
Moyle JCP: Ils ne sont forque few cases en queux home recover damages pur vexacion de suit, &c. forsque cest & auters queux sont dones per ley especial, come appelle & Quare impedit, &c. |
Sjt Nele (for D?): one will only have a prohibition where he is impleaded in Court Christian for a thing that will be determined in this Court, and here this matter which is sued in Court Christian cannot be determined (here because) this is a right to tithes (de jure decimarum)
Sjt Catesby (for P?): I deny your principal case, because if one be indebted to me for 20 pounds and makes his executors, and I sue them (executors) in Court Christian, they will have a Prohibition, and yet on this debt (duity) I will never have an action here, because this was on a simple contract, etc.
Littleton JCP: if it be as the plaintiff had said, the defendant has done wrong to him to sue in Court Christian, and by this action he cannot recover damages except for the previous time (temps avant), etc. then it will be reasonable that pending this suit that he will have a prohibition, and if it be found for (ove) the defendant then to grant Consultation, as where a parson impleads another parson for certain tithes that amount to one fourth part of the Church, and the patron (?) (prove) of the defendant clerk brings a writ of Right for the tithes, he (defendant clerk's patron?) will have Indicavit to make the judges in Court Christian stay (surcesse) until it (the writ of Right) be determined here, and a Consultation will be granted when the matter is determined here, etc., so here
Moyle JCP: in your case this is by statute (perhaps Westminster 2nd (1285), 13 Edw. 1, ch. 5 or perhaps Circumspecte agatis (1285), also 13 Edw. 1, 9th paragraph (prohibition to spiritual court for disputes about right of tithes exceeding one-fourth of the value of the benefice) or perhaps De Conjunctim Feoffatis (Statute of Joint Tenants) (1306), 34 Edw. 1 (1 Stat. Realm 147) (timing of writ called Indicavit) or perhaps Articuli Cleri (1316), 9 Edw. 2, stat. 1, ch. 2 (prohibition of disputes of tithes amounting to one-fourth part of the goods of the church or more))
Sjt Jenney: when one is impleaded in Court Christian for a thing that can be determined here, then Prohibition lies, as in the case that my master Littleton JCP (has put) when he impleaded the parson for tithes, if it be found for (ove) the plaintiff, the advowson of this party is recovered, in a way (la en maner), and the right of the advowson can be determined here, but if I and another are made executors, and I grant to my companion (fellow executor) by deed, that I will not take charge of the administration on myself, and then I sue to the Ordinary to be charged, etc., and my companion (fellow executor) sues an action of Covenant on the deed against me here, he will not have a Prohibition, etc., because his suit here is on a temporal act, and my suit to the Ordinary is for a spiritual thing, so, etc.; and also if I grant to one by my deed, that I will not sue in Court Christian to have one such to wife (to marry, a feme), and then I sue in Court Christian to have her as my wife, and the other (my grantee) sues an action of Covenant against me here, he will not have a Prohibition, for the reason aforesaid (causa qua supra), and so here, the suit in Court Christian is for a spiritual thing, and the suit that is here is on a temporal composition
Choke JCP: one cannot prescribe for no tithes (in non decimando), but for a manner of tithes (in modo decimando) he can well prescribe, and in this case if the parson had land for his tithes, then he is satisfied, because he had quid pro quo, and Sir, if a parson leases to me by deed all the tithes of his benefice, and then for tithes of my own lands, I sue in Court Christian, and I bring an action of Covenant against him here, I will not have a Prohibition, because I can plead my bar against the parson there in Court Christian for his tithes, in this case this composition was made before time immemorial, and this prescription they (Court Christian) ought not try, because their prescription and ours (our prescription) are different, because prescription in spiritual law is a continuance of possession for 10 years or 20 years, etc., so if this action was brought on a composition made before time immemorial, so that it could be pleaded there in bar, it seems to me that they will not have Prohibition, but because it is done before time immemorial, and they cannot try this prescription, etc., so it seems to me that prohibition lies, and that he will be tried here, etc.
Danby CJCP: we cannot know if this be sufficient discharge of tithes or not, etc. and Sir, if a parson grant me that I will be discharged of tithes, and then he sue against me for the tithes, and I bring an action of Covenant here against him, I will not have a Prohibition, because my action here is becaue he has acted contrary to his deed, which is a temporal thing, for which I will recover damages, and if it be so that he had lands for his tithes, you can plead your matter there in the Court Christian, etc.
and the Serjeants said that they did not want to accept any plea in answer in the Court Christian, etc.
Moyle JCP: there are only a few cases in which one recovers damages for vexation of suit, etc., except this and others which are gieven by special law, as Appeal and Quare impedit, etc. |
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Brooke Dismes 11, fol. 247v: Nota per les serjeants que in l espiritual court ils ne voilont admitt ascun plee en discharge vers tenths (tithes), quod nota |
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Action
Case
Lord
Manor
Ancestor
Tenancy
Acquittance
Tithes
Quit Of Tithes
Meadow (pratorum)
Pratorum Terrarum
Time Immemorial
Certainty
Gift
Predecessor
Drawing (treit)
Plea
Court Christian
Ecclesiastical Court
Church Court
Matter
Rehearsal
Continuation
Process
Prayer
Prohibition
Pleading
Impleading
Thing (chose)
Determination
Suit
Determination (termin)
Right
Right Of Tithes
De Jure Decimarum
Denial
Principal Case
Indebtedness
Executor
Making Executor
Debt (duity)
Contract
Simple Contract
Simple
Wrong (tort)
Recovery
Damages
Time
Reason
Reasonableness
Pending The Suit
Finding
Grant
Consultation
Certainty
Amount
One Fourth
Fourth Part
Church
Proof (prove)
Patron (prove) (?)
Clerk
Writ Of Right
Writ Of Right Of Tithes
Indicavit
Judge
Ecclesiastical Judge
Stay (surcesse)
Statute
By Statute
Laying (gist)
Master
Advowson
Party
Manner
In A Manner
Right Of Advowson
Companion
Charge
Taking Charge
Administration
Ordinary
Covenant
Action Of Covenant
Deed (fait)
Temporal Act
Act
Spiritual Thing
Spiritual Chose
Wife (feme)
Marriage (aver a feme)
Cause
Causa Qua Supra
Temporal Composition
Prescription
In Non Decimando
In Modo Decimando
Good Prescription
Satisfaction
Quid Pro Quo
Lease
Lease By Deed
Benefice
His Own Lands
Bar
Pleading His Bar
Their Prescription
Their Law
Our Prescription
Our Law
Distinction
Spiritual Law
Canon Law
Ecclesiastical Law
Continuance
Continuation Of Possession
Possession
Year
Ten Years
Twenty Years
Memory
Trial
Seeming
Knowledge (scaver)
Ignorance (ne scaver)
Sufficiency
Discharge
Sufficient Discharge
Discharge Of Tithes
Against His Deed
Temporal Thing
Temporal Chose
Serjeant
Acceptance
Answer
Few
Few Cases
Vexation
Vexation Of Suit
Special Law
Appeal
Quare Impedit |
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