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out from training as medical establishments are established only for psychia–
trists; and now the psychologists are trying to restrict it to the mental health
discipline and this is so allover the country-trying to exclude people in other
disciplines from getting psychoanalytic training. In fact, restrictive laws have
been enacted in fifteen different states.
Edith Kurzweil:
I
think
you now are getting into issues of credentialing.
Speaker:
Not just credentialing, but also the interface of intellectuals and ana–
lysts: that is what I am worried about.
Edith Kurzweil:
There is one other point. I think that William defines intel–
lectuals much more narrowly than academics do.
Peter Neubauer:
But we would have to differentiate when we refer to psy–
choanalysis in its specific place. Do we speak of a theory of the mind, of a
clinical method of intervention, or a mode of exploring psychic mechanisms?
Unless we keep them separate we will get only general answers which will not
cover it. If this is true on the clinical level, there is disenchantment among
many people, not only about the duration, but also about the success of psy–
choanalysis. But
if
you point to the general psychology of the mind, whoever
would be interested in it, there still is nothing that comes close to it.
Robert Michels:
You think of it as a psychology of the mind, but I think the
hermeneutic position would consider that as a special case of an interpretive
system.
Peter Neubauer:
In that debate they have added, or sometimes lost, an expla–
nation of the experience of the meaning. Causation. That gets lost.
Robert Michels:
Yes, but "lost" is a passive verb, I would say "ejected."
Edith Kurzweil:
I want to thank you, because on that note we'll have to end.
But now our hostess would like to say a few words.
Joanna Rose:
Why don't we continue this discussion informally over dessert
and coffee? Thank you all.
