{"id":4523,"date":"2018-10-10T10:49:07","date_gmt":"2018-10-10T14:49:07","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/?p=4523"},"modified":"2019-01-02T10:17:17","modified_gmt":"2019-01-02T15:17:17","slug":"composer-to-composer","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/2018\/10\/10\/composer-to-composer\/","title":{"rendered":"Composer to Composer"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"wp-caption-text\">Missy Mazzoli (BUTI\u201998, CFA\u201902), left, and Valerie Coleman (BUTI\u201989, CFA\u201995)<\/p>\n<h2 style=\"color: #574187;\">Missy Mazzoli and Valerie Coleman discuss the privacy of composing, the vulnerability of performing<\/h2>\n<h4>Edited by Lara Ehrlich | Photos by Marylene Mey and Benedict Evans<\/h4>\n<p><span style=\"text-transform: uppercase; font-weight: bold;\">Grammy-nominated<\/span> composer and flutist <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vcolemanmusic.com\/\">Valerie Coleman<\/a> uses her \u201cskillfully wrought, buoyant music\u201d (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/2013\/02\/04\/arts\/music\/da-capo-chamber-players-at-merkin-concert-hall.html\">New York Times<\/a><\/em>) as a form of storytelling: in one chamber work, nomadic Roma tribes journey along dusty roads while a flute sonata gives voice to slaves trafficked from West Africa. Coleman (BUTI\u201989, CFA\u201995) premiered her latest piece, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vcolemanmusic.com\/shot-gun-houses.html\">Shot Gun Houses<\/a><\/em>, a suite for clarinet and string quartet based on the life of <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Muhammad_Ali\">Muhammad Ali<\/a>, in 2018.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.missymazzoli.com\/\">Missy Mazzoli<\/a>\u2019s \u201csavage, heartbreaking and thoroughly original\u201d (<em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.wsj.com\/articles\/breaking-the-waves-turandot-and-macbeth-reviews-adultery-in-the-name-of-love-1474923154\">Wall Street Journal<\/a><\/em>) music is distinctive for its ferocity that veers into horror, like her opera dismantling the American dream through the story of 19th-century Nebraskan homesteaders and an operatic work reimagining the story of Lot\u2019s wife. Recently named composer-in-residence at <a href=\"https:\/\/cso.org\/\">Chicago Symphony Orchestra<\/a>, Mazzoli (BUTI\u201998, CFA\u201902) premiered her newest opera, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/bostonia\/summer18\/opera-of-the-heartland\/\">Proving Up<\/a><\/em>, in 2018.<\/p>\n<p>Mazzoli and Coleman were both listed among the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/entertainment\/music\/the-top-women-composers-in-classical-music\/2017\/08\/04\/319274d4-76f2-11e7-803f-a6c989606ac7_story.html?utm_term=.682cc54be05b\">top 35 women composers in classical music<\/a> by the <em>Washington Post<\/em>. Their work has been performed at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.carnegiehall.org\/\">Carnegie Hall<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.kennedy-center.org\/\">Kennedy Center<\/a>, among other venues, though never in the same season. Mazzoli is the founder of (and keyboardist in) the all-female chamber music ensemble <a href=\"http:\/\/www.victoiremusic.com\/\">Victoire<\/a>. Coleman is the founder of (and flutist in) the Grammy-nominated all-female chamber music ensemble <a href=\"http:\/\/www.imaniwinds.com\/\">Imani Winds<\/a>\u2014which has performed Mazzoli\u2019s music.<\/p>\n<p>Although their paths have crossed musically time and time again, they\u2019ve never met. They\u2019d never even spoken, until they connected by phone to talk about the addictiveness of the flow state, how motherhood influences creativity, and finding inspiration while surfing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Missy Mazzoli:<\/strong> I\u2019ve known of you for so many years. It\u2019s nice to talk to you, finally.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Valerie Coleman:<\/strong> Yeah! This is great.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> In my own work, performing, teaching, and writing are all essential. I can\u2019t give any of it up because it\u2019s all part of the puzzle. If I weren\u2019t performing, my writing wouldn\u2019t be\u00a0as rich and I\u2019d feel like I was losing touch with my performers. How do you look at the puzzle of your life?<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> I would say that one has to\u00a0celebrate the imperfections of juggling all of it. For example,\u00a0motherhood is a wonderful thing, but it\u2019s also a challenge to find\u00a0headspace when your daughter\u2019s decorating the house with bits of paper\u2014but even in that moment, there\u2019s an energy that can be inspiring.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I love this idea of embracing the imperfection of it all. Similarly, a long time ago, I accepted that I would not be the greatest pianist in the world, and that\u2019s actually good because it forces me to come up with creative pieces, turning these quote-unquote imperfections into an asset and creating something new out of them.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"showrunner\" style=\"color: #1e6390;  width:45%;\">\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 5px;\">\u201cI think human beings are the most inspiring thing in the world. I\u2019m interested in how we\u2019re flawed.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #000; font-size: 16px; text-transform: uppercase; font-style: initial;\">Missy Mazzoli (BUTI\u201998, CFA\u201902)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> Your music touches on the human experience and juxtaposes soulfulness and peacefulness with energy-laden moments\u2014that\u2019s really exciting to hear. What motivates you?<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I think human beings are the most inspiring thing in the world. I\u2019m interested in how we\u2019re flawed, how we try to communicate and often fail, how we try to fix things and mess everything up, how we relate to each other in really beautiful ways\u2014but also evil ways. All of that has been fodder for my operas and my instrumental works, like two melodies working with each other and then in opposition. It\u2019s like a drama playing itself out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> You hit on something that deeply resonated with me: communication and opening someone\u2019s mind to another\u2019s experience. It seems more\u00a0relevant than ever for creators to be empathetic, to step out of our own comfort zone to be that mediator.<\/p>\n<p>You put together the Victoire ensemble as the voice of your music. Tell me everything! What\u2019s the logistical structure of the dang thing?<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I put it\u00a0together 10 years ago, soon after I moved to New York, because I wanted control over where and how my music was performed. I thought, \u201cI\u00a0can\u2019t just wait around for Carnegie Hall to call me\u201d\u2014which they did, eventually, because I\u00a0was so visible with this ensemble I\u2019d made myself.<\/p>\n<p>I wanted a social life around my\u00a0music, to pull together five of\u00a0my best friends who I can feel vulnerable around.\u00a0I also\u00a0wanted to work with women.\u00a0When we go on tour, it\u2019s a loving and accepting and fun experience. It became a lab through which I developed my voice.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/XysyVYThQu0\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"caption\">Missy Mazzoli and librettist Royce Vavrek talk about their new opera, <em>Proving Up<\/em>. Listen to more of Mazzoli&#8217;s music <a href=\"http:\/\/www.missymazzoli.com\/listen\/\">here<\/a>. <em>Opera Omaha<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> Do you feel more of a connection with your audience when you\u2019re performing your own work?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"showrunner\"style=\"color: #574187; width:45%;\">\n<p style=\"margin-bottom: 5px;\">\u201cPart of me loves the private nature of composing because it\u2019s something no one else can touch, sort of like meditation.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"color: #000; font-size: 16px; text-transform: uppercase; font-style: initial;\">Valerie Coleman (BUTI\u201989, CFA\u201995)<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> Absolutely. People connect with what they see in front of them, that sharing of kinetic energy. I found that a lot working with [chamber music ensemble] Imani Winds; when they perform my music, people start to see not only what a living composer does, but the energy behind it.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I love that idea.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> People don\u2019t connect with what a composer does, the creative process of stripping yourself bare to create a new entity that impacts the listener\u2019s emotional value. That state of impacting the people around me keeps me going as a composer. The psychologist who coined the term <em>flow<\/em> says it\u2019s the state of being in which a person is involved in an activity to the point that nothing else seems to matter because the moment itself is transcendent. That\u2019s what I think people feel when a composer performs their own music.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> That flow state is addictive. Part of me loves the private nature of composing because it\u2019s something no one else can touch, sort of like meditation. But I also love bringing it to other people.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> As you get older, you start to value time more. In the midst of the world spinning around you, it\u2019s hard to find flow unless you retreat into that insular bubble that allows you to be completely vulnerable.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> Once the piece is done, the vulnerability is there for everyone to see and to feel vulnerable themselves in a cathartic way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> How does being a mother impact that flow?<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> It\u2019s made me harder in letting people know that what I do is as valid as anybody else\u2019s nine-to-five job. I hunger for that flow state, so if I don\u2019t get it, I become aggressive about it.<\/p>\n<p>Aggressive, not in terms of my child, but in terms of ensuring she has a sitter who\u2019s present and letting my husband know that this is my time. Before my daughter was born, I was more flexible; the flow came when it came, and I could stay up all night and write music. I\u2019ve become much more efficient and more hard-nosed about what time is sacred.<\/p>\n<p>At the same time, having my daughter and being introduced to a love that has completely unseated me has influenced my creative process. Now more than ever there\u2019s a certain level of giving that goes into writing music.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/mM7HdxA384I\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p class=\"caption\">Valerie Coleman talks about her first work for orchestra, <em>Phenomenal Women<\/em>, a concerto for wind quintet and orchestra inspired by Maya Angelou\u2019s poem and book, <em>Phenomenal Woman<\/em>. Listen to more of Coleman&#8217;s work <a href=\"https:\/\/www.vcolemanmusic.com\/media.html\">here<\/a>. <em>American Composers Orchestra<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> It\u2019s inspiring to hear you talk about being a\u00a0creator who\u2019s also a mother, who\u2019s thriving, and whose work is informed by that experience in a positive way.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> Thank you\u2014and congratulations on your appointment as composer-in-residence at Chicago Symphony Orchestra, man! Can you tell us a little bit about that?<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I\u2019ll be writing music for the symphony, and I\u2019m curating their <a href=\"https:\/\/cso.org\/musicnow\">MusicNOW<\/a> chamber music series. It\u2019s an opportunity to commission exceptional up-and-coming composers, a lot of them women who have yet to be celebrated by a major symphony orchestra.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> There are so many levels of why we have to be mentors in this day and age.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I agree. I founded a program, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.kaufmanmusiccenter.org\/page\/luna-lab\/\">Luna Lab<\/a>, for young female composers in their teens, on a similar premise. When I graduated from CFA I thought, \u201cIf this works out for me, I\u2019m going to use my influence to make it easier for young women coming after me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>I had great teachers my whole career, like <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa\/profile\/martin-amlin\/\">Martin Amlin<\/a> [a professor of music and chair of the composition and theory department] and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa\/profile\/richard-cornell\/\">Richard Cornell<\/a> [a professor of music, composition, and music theory] at CFA. Martin was the first person in my life to say that I might have a future in music. And I was like, \u201cAlright, I\u2019m in. I\u2019m doing this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Who were your mentors?<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> [Composer and conductor] <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tanialeon.com\/\">Tania Le\u00f3n<\/a>. She\u2019s this force of nature unto herself. I can\u2019t tell you how often she\u2019s reduced me to tears because of the conviction with which she\u2019s dedicated herself\u00a0to changing classical music to be more inclusive and celebratory of people and ideas that are different. This is an exciting time for women composers. This idea of helping one another is starting to manifest in such an impactful, grand-scale way.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m curious, every composer has to begin their new works from seed material\u00a0and I believe every composer has their own method of getting that. For me, it\u2019s standing in the shower and just letting the water run. Do you have an unusual way of getting seed material?<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I\u2019m inspired by stories of endurance and achievement. The news is a big source of inspiration\u2014I look for little nuggets of humanity there. I also surf. That\u2019s the ultimate flow for me because I can\u2019t really think of anything except not dying. I feel very free out there; I\u2019m not competing with anybody when I\u2019m on a surfboard.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> Wow, that\u2019s so dang cool.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> When\u2019s your next premiere?<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong>\u00a0It\u2019s <em><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vcolemanmusic.com\/phenomenal-women.html\">Phenomenal Women<\/a><\/em> [concerto for wind quintet and chamber orchestra], based on a poem by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.poetryfoundation.org\/poets\/maya-angelou\">Maya Angelou<\/a>, with Imani Winds and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.americancomposers.org\/\">American Composers Orchestra<\/a> in November [2018]. What about yourself?<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I\u2019ll premiere a new work with Chicago next season, and my third opera is coming to New York in September [2018], so I\u2019m getting ready to do the things, like promotion, you have to do to nurture these little babies.<\/p>\n<p><strong>VC:<\/strong> After you wrote the piece, now comes the harder stuff. You can\u2019t just let them go into the world, you\u00a0have to nurture them. It\u2019s so much work but so exciting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>MM:<\/strong> I feel really energized, really clear, like we should talk every morning.<\/p>\n<p><em>This conversation has been condensed and edited for clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Missy Mazzoli received a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa\/announcing-the-2017-distinguished-alumni-awards\/\">2017 Distinguished Alumni Award<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Missy Mazzoli (BUTI\u201998, CFA\u201902), left, and Valerie Coleman (BUTI\u201989, CFA\u201995) Missy Mazzoli and Valerie Coleman discuss the privacy of composing, the vulnerability of performing Edited by Lara Ehrlich | Photos by Marylene Mey and Benedict Evans Grammy-nominated composer and flutist Valerie Coleman uses her \u201cskillfully wrought, buoyant music\u201d (New York Times) as a form of [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":15163,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[36,40],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4523"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/15163"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4523"}],"version-history":[{"count":50,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4523\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":6069,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4523\/revisions\/6069"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4523"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4523"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cfa-magazine\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4523"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}