{"id":65975,"date":"2023-01-17T13:22:20","date_gmt":"2023-01-17T18:22:20","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/?p=65975"},"modified":"2023-01-17T13:31:32","modified_gmt":"2023-01-17T18:31:32","slug":"pickin-and-a-teachin","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/pickin-and-a-teachin\/","title":{"rendered":"Pickin\u2019 and A-Teachin\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>By Steve Holt<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Robert Margo picked up his first guitar at age 12 and proceeded on a journey <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">deep<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> into some of the oldest and most niche stringed instruments on the planet: the classical guitar, baroque and renaissance lute, the mandola, and the mandolin, to name a few. The professor of economics now primarily plays the mandolin, best known in America for creating bluegrass music\u2019s \u201c<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=rIuIJNnzNak\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">high, lonesome sound<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.\u201d Margo mostly plays in the classical style, however, performing regularly with the <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.providencemandolin.org\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Providence (Rhode Island) Mandolin Orchestra<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.namandolinensemble.com\/index.html\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">New American Mandolin Ensemble<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and the<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/HamptonTrio\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Hampton Trio<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, but he also arranges pop tunes on the mandolin by the Beatles, Joni Mitchell, and Bob Dylan.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At CAS, Margo is an economic historian who has researched and taught about the evolution of racial inequality, the evolution of labor markets, and most recently, the historical roots of automation. A research associate of the <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.nber.org\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">National Bureau of Economic Research<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, Margo is the author or co-author of six books and 170 articles, book chapters, and book reviews. Beloved in the classroom, he<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/provost\/awards-publications\/award-opportunities\/university-wide-teaching-awards\/boston-university-provosts-scholar-teacher-of-the-year-award\/boston-university-provosts-scholar-teacher-of-the-year-award-past-awardees\/2018-provosts-scholar-teacher-of-year-award-winner\/\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">was awarded the 2018 Provost\u2019s Scholar\u2013Teacher of the Year Award<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Margo spoke with <\/span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">arts&amp;sciences<\/span><\/i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> about his musical evolution, passion for early stringed instruments, and the similarities he draws between economics and playing the mandolin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><i>arts&amp;sciences<\/i><\/b><b>: Why did you pick up your first instrument?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Robert Margo<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: I don\u2019t come from a family of musicians, but my parents started me on music lessons when I was young. I was fortunate to have a very good teacher. When I was in college, I played jazz guitar. I went to the University of Michigan, where I never really had an intention to become a professional musician\u2014that wasn\u2019t on my radar screen. But I did it enthusiastically on the side. I played in the University of Michigan big band ensemble as the guitarist, and then played around Ann Arbor in clubs and things like that with small groups.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b><i>arts&amp;sciences<\/i><\/b><b>: You picked up classical guitar after graduate school but eventually moved on from the guitar. Why?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><b>Margo<\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">: Well, I still play classical guitar from time to time, but I reached a point where I basically felt limited by the instrument, because it\u2019s mostly a culture of soloists. I like playing solo, and I do it a lot\u2014even now. But I really like the camaraderie and the community when I play with other people. I discovered the mandolin when I was in Nashville [teaching at Vanderbilt University]. The mandolin actually has a very long history as a classical instrument going back to the 18th century. I realized pretty quickly it had this side that I wanted, which was playing in groups and playing with other people, and it had one other: it was very niche. It\u2019s my hobby, but I have ambitions, and I want to play at a high level. If you\u2019re an amateur, classical guitar is not something that you can participate in at a truly professional level. The lute, it\u2019s the same thing. But the mandolin is not quite like that, and it\u2019s still open to people like me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>Do you have a favorite style of music that you arrange or play on the mandolin?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s pretty eclectic. I like to play what you might call traditional classical mandolin repertoire\u2014things like Vivaldi, going back to the 18th century. Then, there\u2019s a lot of 20th century repertoire that I play, but I also like to arrange music that\u2019s written for other instruments for the mandolin or the other instruments that I play, and often that\u2019s pop music.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I did an arrangement recently that is up on my<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/channel\/UCT71R_8IY4gbmpwQja6V8lg\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">YouTube Channel<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. It\u2019s a suite called \u201cProtest Songs,\u201d and there are songs from American songwriters that were important in that respect. So that has, for example, music by<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=60kChoLDd1E\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Stephen Stills<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, by<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ySGxr4mVLGY\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Bob Dylan<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and then the last movement of that suite is a song from the 1930s\u2014a very famous labor organizing song [by Florence Reece] called, \u201c<\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/YotHrAoo63I\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which side are you on?<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u201d It\u2019s a very important song that was influential to Pete Seeger, The Weavers, and the folk music movement of the 1950s. So, I look for things like that with pop music.<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"responsiveVideo responsive-youtube\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Stephen Stills, &quot;For What It&#039;s Worth,&quot; for solo (octave) mandolin\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/60kChoLDd1E?feature=oembed&#038;enablejsapi=1&#038;origin=https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p><b>What role does music play in your life? Does it inform your scholarship, or vice versa?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It\u2019s balance. Balance has always been important to me. Both sides of work influence each other. My approach to playing a musical instrument, the mandolin in particular, is quite analytical, and it\u2019s analytical in a way that my scholarship is analytical. When you\u2019re trying to do scholarship, you\u2019re looking at what people did in the past on some topic, and you\u2019re trying to advance it, trying to figure out what needs to be done. Often that means that you recognize what\u2019s good in the prior work, but you also have to push it forward. So, you\u2019re respectful of the tradition, but you\u2019re not necessarily agreeing with it.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When you play music, there\u2019s a constant tension from having an overview of the piece. If I\u2019m playing a piece of music, I have a sort of overview of the piece\u2014the big impression that I want to make\u2014and I try to be aware of how what I\u2019m doing in the moment relates to the overall architecture of the piece. I\u2019ve also found that helpful in thinking about my work, because every book or article that I write has a beginning, a middle, and an end. It has an architecture, and I try to think how the small details feed into that. It\u2019s like a musical composition in that way. I have realized how much art there is in science. Whatever type of science it is, whether it\u2019s social science or hard science, there\u2019s a lot of art and artistry, and I suppose that indirectly feeds into it as well. It\u2019s symbiotic. It goes back and forth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><b>How do you find the time to practice and perform amid all your research and writing and teaching?<\/b><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I wake up early, I go downstairs, and I try not to play too loudly and wake my wife up\u2014which I\u2019m usually not successful at. I just try to be efficient about it, and I\u2019m pretty scheduled up. I go back and forth between the two. Obviously, my university job is my main focus, but I sort of like to keep the two parts of my life distinct.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This interview was edited for brevity and clarity.<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>When he\u2019s not in the classroom, Professor Robert Margo is often plucking mandolins, lutes, and other early stringed instruments<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":21329,"featured_media":65978,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[4,195],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65975"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/21329"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=65975"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65975\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":65980,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/65975\/revisions\/65980"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/65978"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=65975"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=65975"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.bu.edu\/cas\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=65975"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}