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There are 55 comments on President Trump: What Will He Do, And What His Win Might Mean

  1. The article’s opening characterization of President-elect Trump smacks of the holier-than-thou, dismissive attitude that much of America just rejected. At an institution that prides itself on diversity and inclusion, might trying to understand and engage with those who disagree with us be better than insulting them?

    1. I don’t at all disagree with your comment on dismissive attitude and inclusion and engagement. One of the most deeply disturbing things to me about this election has been the divisive, dismissive and hateful talk nature coming from both sides and directed at both sides…not just from the candidates; within the electorate, too. Democracy does not work when we don’t work together. It’s not one side’s country and way of life; it’s everybody’s country and we all have equal rights here. Though we disagree on issues, we have to compromise to find solutions that stick. Otherwise we just never make progress.

      1. I resent this idea that “hateful talk” came from both sides. Where were the insults about straight, white, Christian males? All I heard was disgusting comments and insults directed towards minorities, women, and Muslims – and that too, from an elected political official

        1. They came from the masses. I support progressive ideals, and although I do not particularly like Hillary Clinton, I did vote for her.

          Regardless of my political position, as a white male (first gen American born), I have consistently been insulted and have been the subject of racist remarks. The rhetoric thrown around by all sides in this current election have made me very uncomfortable, and at times, afraid for my physical safety.

          That’s where the hateful talk comes from. Elected progressive officials weren’t idiots in this regard…

        2. Well, I know that the violence, contrary to how the media tried to portray it, came from the left. The left proved once again that instead of presenting their view in a reasonable, non emotional, rational way they resort to bullying, intimidation and violence. Just like the reports we are hearing since the election, people are being threatened and beaten just for voting for Trump. Also, public and private property has been destroyed in the name of political protest. All from the left. Hillary Clinton voters should have denounced it but we didn’t hear a peep out of you.

    2. Isn’t that what President Obama tried to do for 8 years and was continually slapped back. And to paraphrase your comment, do you have any hope that the other side might try to understand and engage with those who disagree with them rather than insulting them. Hasn’t it been the whole premise of Trump’s campaign to do the exact opposite of that statement. If anything, you expect much more from the left than the right has EVER done.

      1. Let me guess, a straight white guy you think it’s “smug” for a woman or person of color to want the same rights as you?

        Wow. Just wow. The only smugness I see here is yours.

    3. Did any of these guys actually answer the question, which was what do they believe President Trump will do since vanquishing a yet-to-be convicted lying and corrupt felon? No – they all just served up their personal biases, as I am sure they do daily in their lecture halls –

      1. Twice. Twice the FBI has found NOTHING to convict Hilary Clinton of.

        If you’re going to comment on a discussion hosted by one of the nation’s most intelligent institutions of higher education, try not to be such an ill-informed fool. You’re embarrassing yourself.

    4. I agree with you 100% and it is refreshing to read a comment like yours. To me the above opinions reflect exactly what people rejected. And the fact that two days after the election, the same kind of nonsense is published here again shows that the so-called elite still has not understood what happened.

    5. Gary Lawson, all we have seen from either side is “holier than thou” attitudes. Both sides. Americans didn’t reject it. They embraced it. White America is saying they are better than blacks, Muslims, Mexicans, etc. You will see a large uptick in violence against minorities now that Trump has emboldened and encouraged this behavior. Think lynchings on YouTube. That is Trump’s America. Sure, the democrats didn’t help the situation. They could have stayed above the fray, held an honest run for the nomination and allowed Bernie to trounce Trump. But they didn’t want to go further left, and America’s long war on the term “socialism” was quite effective. Democrats don’t want to be called socialists. Republicans don’t want to be called fascists. But that is the direction they are going. Trump spearheaded the farther-right movement. Bernie spearheaded the farther-left movement. Americans don’t want centrists. They don’t want cooperation or bipartisanship. They want their side to crush the other. Conservative voters voted out any GOP congressman that voted for anything the democrats advanced. Bipartisanship has been transformed into colluding with the enemy. That is why our government is broken. We brought it on ourselves. We can’t call our government a democracy, for the people by the people, if we don’t accept anything but our own political leanings. Conservative policy is not perfect. Liberal policy is not perfect. Neither one can make America great on its own. Stop the bickering and childish fighting between the two sides, open up to cooperation and compromise, and then we will see what a country that works for its people looks like.

      1. Just for the record, the only violence since the election, regarding the election, has been perpetrated against Trump supporters. The only violence at Trump events was instigated by persons being paid to do so by the HRC campaign. The emails leaked by Wikileaks confirm the strategy and the means by which it was carried out.

    6. “Lacking the usual prerequisites of elected political office—experience, informed opinion, compassion, willingness to listen—Republican Donald Trump presents the American people with many questions about what he will really do.”

      How is this wrong exactly? Or are you just claiming this is factual but unfair?

    7. The opening characterization of Trump was based on actual facts about him. Where is his political experience? Where are his apologies for offending Americans who are not white, male, and Christian?

      You are probably one of the shameless problems in America – a Trump supporter who resents the very “diversity and inclusion” you ironically mentioned.

    8. Who was the member of the “BU Today staff” who wrote the condescending opening to this report? Does the staff mean that political experience is the only kind of experience that counts, or are they referring to the fact that he had never run for or served in political office? And what is the basis for the assertion that he doesn’t have the “willingness to listen,” “compassion,” or “informed opinion”?

      This is an embarrassment to Boston University; the faculty spotlighted are expressing their opinions, but the BU Today staff are making a statement that is at the least open to investigation and discussion, and at the worst a searing example of the intolerance which characterizes the left’s response to anyone or anything they disagree with.

  2. Not my experts; perhaps you haven’t realized, but outsiders are starting to view American colleges as jokes, with students coming out dumber than when they first entered; these articles are representative of that. Also, it was not an edging of votes; the electoral vote is past 290 and will surpass 300.

    1. Currently the electoral vote is 279 (Trump) 228 (Clinton). Clinton is currently winning the popular vote by 200,000+ votes and is expected to win the popular vote. The election is decided, yes, but it was an edging of the vote in that respect. Trump has won on the technicalities of how our votes are counted and scored, but losing the popular vote he does not at all have a decisive clear mandate. Does not have anything near a mandate.

      1. If it makes you feel any better you can stare at the popular vote and claim that under a real democracy Hillary Clinton would have won.

        What your statement and others like this completely ignores is that under a popular vote election turnout clearly would not be the same, since people would have a different perception about how much their vote mattered. And therefore it would be impossible to predict who would have won. This election’s popular vote is utterly meaningless.

        1. Here is how you are wrong.

          1. People wanting to vote red in a blue state or blue in a red state will be more emboldened to vote, because their vote will actually mean something. Right now, a conservative in Massachusetts has no reason to vote in the presidential election, much like a democrat in Texas.
          2. Candidates would have to visit ALL states to get elected, instead of just the contested/swing states. Voters would get a closer look at the candidates, and will be able to better gauge how in touch the candidate is with the issues impacting their community.

          Best of all, partisan politics will become discouraged, because you are appealing to a broader audience. A major win for America. Why wouldn’t you be more likely to vote in this scenario than in the current format?

          1. If you read my statement again, carefully, you will actually notice that I am not wrong because you made the same point. Voting behavior will change under a popular vote system, compared to the electoral college.

            What I said is that the current popular vote, the one that is referred to from this election, is meaningless. Precisely because people have a different incentive to vote in a changed system, the outcome would not be predictable at this point.

            This is in contrast to claims that the current popular vote means Hillary Clinton would have won under a different system. Those statements are wrong or at best uncertain!

            Given the name that you used for your post I have to congratulate you for not voting for her. Or am I misunderstanding this?

      2. Odd, no one was disputing the electoral college when Republicans won the popular vote but the Democrats won in the electoral college.

        In the law, this called estoppel: You can argue that a thing is right (electoral college in favor of a Democratic presidential candidate) to support an argument against it (Republican presidential candidate winning electoral college.)

        1. No Republican has won the popular vote, but did not win the Electoral College.

          The only 3 times there was a mismatch between popular vote and electoral college:
          1) 2000 – where Gore (D) won the popular vote but Bush (R) was elected.
          2) 1888 when Cleveland (D) won the popular vote, but Harrison (R) was elected.
          3) 1876 – Tilden (D) won the popular vote, but Hayes (R) was elected.
          Period. History. Fact.

    2. Alright, Mark, here is where I have to comment. “…….Outsiders are starting to view American colleges as jokes….”- seriously? Really?

      When I moved my daughter into Warren Towers for her freshman year, I strolled down a floor or two- on at least one of them, English was a foreign language. For heaven’s sake, stroll Comm Ave during the change of classes and look at the demographic- students from all over the world are giving practically everything they can to be educated in our colleges and universities. I don’t see people are over the world flocking to go to the University of Geneva or the University of Zurich. Give some constructive criticism of the article, supplied with a little bit of data, but your first sentence makes you come off as being rather impulsive and largely uneducated, although I’m assuming you are smarter than your post.

  3. Election is decided by voters. Tuesday’s election result shows that more than half of the voters dislike the state of today’s world under the Obama administration and the potential continuation of it under the Clinton administration. Donald Trump, be it good or bad according to one’s political opinion, is just the one who had sensed this national sentiment and took advantage of it. He bet on it like a gambler with his own money and won! For that we should admire his political acumen and congratulate his success. How the Trump presidency would govern it is entirely another subject matter remaining to be seen. Lack of experience doesn’t matter. Important thing is leadership of which Trump has plenty. However voters would always have the privilege and power to throw him out of the White house in four years if he didn’t indeed make America great again.

    1. Considering more than half the country voted for Hillary, you may want to redo the math there. You are confusing electoral college votes to citizen votes.

    2. Given that many immigrants are literally dying to get over here, I would submit that America is already great.

      My daughters have had the freedom to study in and graduate from 3 of the finest universities in America; they have had the freedom to pursue careers in three entirely different places in America; I have the freedom to get up in the morning, start my car, and go on a camping trip anywhere in America without fear; I have health insurance that more than adequately takes care of my (aging) health care needs; I can speak openly without fear of incarceration or torture; America’s sons and daughters are freely educated; we have the choice to practice any religion or no religion as we so decide; we even have the freedom now to be any gender we want to be (whether you think that’s a good idea or not).

      Is America perfect? Hell no. Tell you what, though- I haven’t seen a country I prefer living in over this one.

  4. Would it have hurt BU to disclose that Trump’s brother Robert, who runs the Trump empire, is a BU fundraiser (https://www.bu.edu/campaign/donors/volunteer-rosters/campaign-volunteer-leadership) who has also advised former Dean Sapiro? (http://www-syst.bu.edu/cas/faculty-staff/administration/dean/lab/)? And that Trump’s father Fred, who reportedly was in the KKK early in his life, is enshrined on the Marsh Plaza donor roll call? (https://www.bu.edu/marshplaza/donors/t.html)

    And maybe this accounts for these fairly tame takes on Trump’s election? What about the intellectual’s responsibility to call for action and actively opposed sexism, racism, climate-change denial, etc?

    1. Good point, but knowing some of the people who wrote these, I have a hard time believing their comments are being in any way influenced by possible loose ties between Trump and the Trustees or former administrations.

      1. Jason, it’s not so much the writers per se – but who BU Today chose to contact and solicit views, and how they were edited. Maybe they should talk to some people from the Sociology Dept., people like Julian Go.

  5. As an enthusiastic Clinton voter, and someone who is appalled and frightened by what it seems to mean that Trump could be elected President, I have been doing much soul-searching since Tuesday night. Have I been as unwilling to learn about and reflect on the forces and life experiences that mold Trump supporters as I believe they have been to understand the experiences and beliefs of “my side”? The thinly-disguised insult that opens this article is something I can imagine myself saying, a tendency I will try harder to resist in the future. I have become belatedly and painfully aware of how ineffective such language is as a foundation for better understanding, much less compromise on issues.

    1. The issue with the entire election was that most people can’t relate to the type of people that would vote for Trump. Much of America believes in diversity, equality, and moving forward instead of stagnating or revering the past. Sadly, there are people that feel that progress is harmful. I wish I could understand the logic. I’m by no means wealthy, but I’ve always lived in mostly white towns. I was making minimum wage just a matter of years ago, but I never blamed anyone but myself for being in that situation. No minorities or illegals took my job from me. It wasn’t illegals that crashed the housing markets (while Trump was rolling in money). I understand it was white America that created the crises we are living with today. So why can’t these uneducated poor folk see it that way? Did any of them truly lose a job to a Mexican? Did Muslims do anything to any of them? I’m thinking they just want to blame anyone but themselves. Most of them either chose not to or couldn’t get a better education, and thus couldn’t improve their lives. But they could have done something about it if they actually tried. They just don’t want to put in the effort. So I attribute it to lazy white man disease, missing the days that white man could do no wrong, even when he was stringing up black men from trees just for existing. They don’t want to earn a damn thing. They want it handed to them. Well, as Trump will show them, nobody will hand you anything. He won’t care one iota about the poor white trash at his rallies when he doesn’t need them to cheer him on anymore.

      1. Thank you for sharing your story.

        However, certain aspects of your response, “I didn’t vote”, comes of as pretentious. Unfortunately, there is a majority that voted for Trump. Almost half the country voted for him. “why can’t these uneducated poor folk see it that way” ?!

        There is a grave misconception of who the average Trump supportor is. They are not all white, they are not all poor and they are not all uneducated

    2. True. I wish Trump had not won, but there is hardly a word anywhere here about Clinton’s own high negatives. She is at the least morally compromised, with a record of public service unfortunately matched by a propensity for unnecessary secrecy, dishonesty, prevarication and money-vacuuming. If she had been elected, would this article have lead with that sort of description? We all know that it would not have done so, even though Clinton, like Trump, would have become president-elect with the highest negatives on record. BU Today invariably works from within the standard issue academic-left set of assumptions and world view.

  6. Many thanks for Itai Vardi for this revealing information on the Trump/BU connections. Food for thought…

    Perhaps we can wrangle a brand-new Trump Tower Dormitory here on campus from the President-Elect (or his relatives). Hey, we’re in the middle of a capital campaign…

  7. It is not encouraging that — after a long campaign — we are having a discussion of what , upon assuming the office of President, Mr. Trump “will really do.”

    As my late colleague Geoffrey Hill liked to repeat, “Our word is our bond.” Mr. Trump has told us what he intends to do: build a “beautiful” wall on the Mexican border, create a deportation force to remove undocumented aliens, prevent Muslims (or, alternatively, travelers from Muslim majority nations) from entering the country, “do something” about First Amendment protections that enable journalists to pursue their vocation, “lock up” his opponent, order US forces to kill the families of ISIS fighters, etc.

    That he will be unable to do many of these things is some relief. That we are being asked to dismiss these various promises as the political equivalent of the alleged “locker room talk” for which he is also famous, is not.

    It is certainly worth trying to understand (but, of course, not always condone) why our fellow citizens may have found these promises appealing. But to assume that he was simply joking demeans both him and the office for which he was running. If he is not a pathological narcissist (which is, perhaps,, a risky assumption), he has some awareness that the words he has been repeating were intended as pledges.

    So, rather than ask what Mr. Trump will “really do,” we should be asking ourselves what we will need to do if we extend him the courtesy of assuming that he intended his words to be his bond. And for those of us who choose to remain faithful to the aspirations of our greatest alumnus, that will mean thinking about what we will need to do — perhaps with him, but more likely than not against him — to make sure that the arc of history continues to bend towards justice.

    James Schmidt
    Professor of History, Philosophy, and Political Science

  8. Many thanks, Jim,for this insightful post. All of your points are well-taken.

    One only wonders how Trump’s political base will react when he doesn’t do any of the “red meat” things he promised them… I assume they won’t be happy.

    As for our most famous alumnus and the things that might need to be done if Trump actually carries out a large chunk of what he has said he will do, one can only help recalling what MLK and his civil rights movement allies did in the South to undo segregation: economic boycotts of various sorts. Trump is, and will continue to be, a business man. To affect his behavior, one has to affect his businesses. If he sees that his whole “brand” is in danger (a topic that had already come up prior to the election), he (or those running his “blind trust”) will probably have to consider changing course.

  9. I am disgusted that an article from someone (BU/ Today) representing the University from which I graduated would begin in such a way. By beginning this piece with blatant insults to one side it automatically elicits responses from both sides which quickly abandon congeniality and logic and devolve into the usual invective. An opportunity for a well thought out debate/discussion gets lost in attacks.

  10. In looking at the numbers, it is clear who the winner of the presidential election was: She/he is named “Weak Democracy.” Approximately 43% or about 99 million people did not vote…similar to 2012 when about 45% did not vote. To extrapolate further, approximately 57% did vote, with about 25% going to Clinton and about 25% to Trump and about 6-7% to the other candidates and write-ins. So, it is really bizarre to hear some people state or imply, “the people have spoken…this is democracy in action…” No, the people have not spoken — they slipped out the back door and the President-elect and his frightening entourage actually received the endorsement of only 25% of the eligible, registered voters. Of course on top of that, you have the fact that Trump did not win the popular or peoples’ vote…Clinton did by at least a quarter million votes and probably will end up a bit more than that when all is counted. Not many democracies in the world where the person who gets the most votes is not only not the winner, but the declared winner only got 25% of the eligible voters! Indeed many might say such a nation “must be one of those authoritarian ones….”

    One more outrage: The actual vote is not until December 19 when the Electpral College votes. And, none of the delegates are obligated to stay with their State’s “winner.” Ironically, the Electoral College was set up by the “founding fathers” in 1787 mostly to ensure a kind of “indirect democracy” wherein the electoral college members would have the option of not following the voters if they deemed, for example, that the person chosen by citizens was completely unqualified. This was their “failsafe” and it has never been actually invoked in any fashion, and thus it has been a continuous rubber stamp. Of course, it will be again, even though ironically they have a wholly unqualified selectee on their agenda.

    Bottom line, the democracy here was already very weak given that the voting citizens have no real access to and influence on the oligarchy-like mega-corporations like the fossil fuel industry, but many citizens also do not even practice the democracy avenues that they do have access to…..! Without substantially changing these two realities and perhaps eliminating the electoral college as well, meaningful progress toward healthier, sustainable human societies and a viable biosphere will continue to be elusive.

    dz

    1. Actually they do have a qualified person. According to my civics class and google, the only qualification required for president are that they are 35 years old and born in the US, and Trump is both of those things.

      The entire point of having so few requirements is the idea that anyone should be able to become president, if the American people, or at least those representing them, decide for it to be that way. Asking for it to be otherwise is asking for an oligarchy, where only the people in the “In” group can run for president because otherwise the In group won’t support them.

  11. Those who refuse to accept the fact are not even worthy to be addressed as liberals. For people who truly respect liberty would not resort to reckless mobs. If Trump really screwed up during his presidency, then you do have a say to vote him out, if he refused to do so, should that time came, I believe every reasonable person would rise up against him.(That’s the reason to have your 2nd Amendment) But until then, people should respect and hope for the best for the results of this election. You should also realize the following facts: There are a great many republicans that are not supporting Donald Trump, there are U.S servicemen swore oaths to protect you and your constitution. If you truly believe in democracy, you should calm yourself down and see things with reason and wisdom. Do not escalate the problem, do not trust rumors easily. It’s time to show your respect and tolerance you believe. I think true liberal Americans need not a Chinese “commie” to preach them about all this.

  12. Yes, the Intro to this piece was obnoxious indeed.
    As was Pres. Brown’s letter to the BU community.
    Below is the letter I sent to my colleagues in the Dept. of Psychological and Brain Sciences.
    The video is…awesome.

    Dear Colleagues,

    I read the letter to all of BU from Pres. Brown.

    I am shocked at the deliberate mischaracterizations of Trump’s admittedly infelicitous remarks about individuals as blanket disparagements of “women, racial and ethnic groups, religions, and nations.”

    I notice, too, that Pres. Brown does not mention the corrosive and disrespectful remarks about people who supported Trump made by Clinton. Those are OK. It is OK to call people racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic, etc. if you disagree with their political opinions.

    Many in “our community” are deeply offended by these appalling and hurtful but somehow socially acceptable characterizations of their points of view as basically evil.

    Many in “our community” are deeply offended by having the political opinions of the president of the university thrust upon us as the voice of the university as a whole.

    My students have complained to me about professorial partisanship, but I did not realize it extended through the administration. I noted the discussions organized by concerned faculty to give the “community the chance to chance to air their feelings and discuss “our dreams and fears.” But, I doubt that anyone is holding meetings for the Trump supporters to discuss “our dreams and fears.” Indeed, we have the same cast from the “How to Vote Smart for Obama” seminar from 2012 running the current discussions. Poor students.

    Pres. Brown presents a veneer of “inclusivity” framed in the context of BU’s historical opposition to slavery. Subtle.

    In the faint hope of promoting a little more inclusivity, I strongly recommend that everyone view this video—by a liberal.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3iKj28KqNg

    It is Jonathan Pie, “This is Who is to Blame for Trump”

    Caution: Trigger warning.

  13. I would have expected the faculty opinions to be more balances. I valued my late 89s early 90s BU education to be of critical thinking across all viewpoints. The article and opinions appears to have swung to the left and thus shares direct accountability in splitting the electorate.

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