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There are 18 comments on POV: How the Government Stole Our Military

  1. Prof. Bacevich is yet another of Boston University’s “National Treasures”. I hope that our Nation will listen to, and realize the value of, his message. It seems unlikely at the moment, but perhaps the realization will dawn on increasing numbers of people!

  2. Thanks for posting this opinion piece and the info about the book event! I saw Mr. Bacevich on Bill Moyers promoting his book-check it out if you get a chance.

  3. The military already spends an absurd amount of our tax dollars which could be used for education and infrastructure, and now you are proposing a scenario where I and others are required to unconditionally commit years of our lives? I will refuse with every ounce of my being. Even in a non-military role, I will respect no infringement upon my free will. I am a citizen, not an indentured servant. This is disgusting.

    1. Yet, as a citizen, you benefit from the service and sacrifice of others. Your “free will” depends on our country being not only secure but also prosperous, which requires collective contribution to infrastructure, education, community and rule of law. In expressing unconditional unwillingness to serve, you provide a classic example of a free rider, aka a moocher.

      1. If you think any of us have benefited from any Post-WWII conflict, you are deluded. Meddling in world affairs does nothing for me, or you. Unless you’re a military contractor in which case you’re richer than I could ever imagine.

        And don’t presume that I am a freeloader. I work, and therefore I both pay taxes and perform actions that contribute to the economy of the country through voluntary exchange. I intend to keep it that way.

    2. John, Your comments make the author’s point. We need more people like you to serve in the military, not fewer. When there was a draft military duty was only two years. Everyone had skin in the game. They learned discipline, cooperation, and got a chance to see the world. We all had something to contribute. Now we are irrelevant to any war effort except to say “thank you for your service” to a person in uniform. As if they were servants, which in a way they now are.

      The only way that the military has achieved this level of funding, lack of oversight, and ability to enrich private contractors, is by becoming professionalized. This was a cynical move that happened during the Viet Nam war to give the government a freer hand in conducting it’s senseless war, and taken to a higher level during the Bush-Cheney administration. The Viet Nam war was eventually abandoned as the the citizens turned against it. The Iraq war proceeded unchecked because we as citizens were not invested. Our only obligation was to say “Thank you for your service”.

      There is a good argument to be made that we take back our country by becoming more a part of it.

  4. Good article but 1% vs 99% is tired out and will lose a lot of people’s interest in an otherwise well-writiten article. Occupy Wallstreet will never be seen as a positive protest.

  5. “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” -Eisenhower

  6. I am active duty navy for 18 years. I’ve been to Afganistan and deployed on 2 aircraft carriers. What are we fighting for? It never ends. Do more with less! we are spending money on people who don’t want to work yet you want to take my retirement! I agree Support our troops but what does it mean. All my son knows is the Navy kept us apart.

  7. The Vietnam War and the end of the draft are portrayed in this piece as having created a disconnect between the popular will and the wars in which our politicians feel entitled to engage, but this seems to get the causation precisely backwards: the disconnect between popular and political will resulted in such widespread disillusionment and protest that politicians were forced to end conscription in order to continue engaging in their wars of empire.

    1. I agree with your comment for the most part and I believe his article is coming from that very perspective. The call to end conscription always seemed like a good idea, to me. My father was a Vietnam vet (volunteer) and I’m a vet of our current wars. He doesn’t make it a point in the article, but I think it carries an implied message that because of the end of conscription, the people may have unintentionally disassociated themselves from the workings of government. Kind of like saying, “do what you, but leave me out of it”. While this may not be the intention, I’ve seen it painted this way by military brass and politicians alike. If people have no emotional investment in something, they tend not to pay very much attention.

  8. It seems a rather large problem that the title, and a major premise (the effect of the all volunteer army) is unsubstatiated conjecture. It is an opinion, but an opinion with no science seems very close to useless. Standing by itself – I don’t see a connection between drafted soldiers with no political power inside the system, and having “skin in the game.” Especially when the draft years included a recent draft dodger AWOL president(G.W. Bush) and a educational deferral draft dodger President (Bill Clinton.) The wealth decision makers in this country have almost NEVER had “skin in the game.”

  9. National service means that all young Americans would spend a period of time in service to the country.
    (Some would serve in the armed forces.)Others would serve in different capacities—preserving the environment, helping the elderly and the dispossessed, improving the community in various ways.

    (Yes the poor boys will fight in the WAR.)

    The wealthy boys would services in civilians’ jobs well away from the war ozone.

    This is the same system we had in Vietnam.
    Politicians
    High ranking Military officials
    Wealthy Business man, Actors and others wealthy people ALL MADE SURE THEIR SONS DID NOT GO TO VIETNAM!

    Also let’s not forget that if you were in college at the time you got a deferment for being drafted.

    This is why we got rid of the DRAFT! It was designed to make sure only poor Americans fight in it.

    Now you’re saying we should reinstate this bias and unfair system?

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