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1483 |
King's Bench |
(Prohibition?) |
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| Huse, William CJKB Hussey Chief Justice |
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England (Angleterre, Anglois)
abroad (auter terre)
the sea (sur le mer)
overseas (par de la, perdela)
Rome |
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Fitzherbert Trial 29, noted in Issue 129 (not in margin)
Brooke Denizen 6 (not in margin), Discent 47 (not Hil. 10 Hen. 4, not fol. 9, not in margin), Trialles 148 (not in margin) |
perhaps prior proceedings 1483.045abr = Hil. 22 Edw. 4, Fitzherbert Consultacion 5, fol. 194r
cross-referenced in 1484.055abr = Mich. 2 Ric. 3, Fitzherbert Issue 129, fol. 43r
18 Hen. 6, fol. 32, 31
34 Hen. 6, fol. 39
40 Edw. 3, fol. 25
21 Edw. 4, fol. 43
22 Hen. 6, fol. 42 |
the statute = 25 Edw. 3 (1351), stat. 1 (stat. 2 in earlier collections) or 42 Edw. 3 (1368), ch. 10 (children of subjects born beyond the sea, inheritable) |
| Nota per Hussey Chief Justice, que quand original doit commencer en Court Chrestien, & commence |
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| la, coment que apres chose vient en issue que est triable per nostre Ley, uncore serra trie per lour ley: Come si on suit pur cheval a luy devise en Court Chrestien, & le defendant dit que le devisor en sa vie dona a luy le cheval, ceo est triable per nostre Ley, uncore ceo sera trie per la, &c.; Et mesme le Ley ou original commence en nostre Ley chose triable per Ley de Saint Eglise, serra try per nostre, come en Quare impedit able & nient able en mort person serra trie per nostre Ley; Et ou le original commence en Angleterre, & le rem- sera performe en auter terre, uncore il sera trie icy; Sicome un face bargain ove auter de luy servit sur la mer, ou par de la, ou purchas buls de Rome, l accion serra porte en Angleterre assez bien, & trie, &c.; Sicome action soit porte, & un naistre est allege par de la, & le plaintiff allege naistre a tiel lieu deins Angleterre, il ne prendre Sans ceo, &c.; Et pur ceo covient al' defendant mainteine le naistre perdela, & travers le naistre deins Angleterre; Et son Opinion fuit, que cesty que est ne par de la, & son pere & mere furent Anglois, lour issue enherite per le Common Ley, mes le Statut fait cler, &c. |
Huse CJKB: when an original writ ought to be commenced in Court Chrisian (ecclesiastical court), and commences there, even if afterwards something comes in issue that is triable by our law, yet it will be tried by their law (canon law) (comity principle); as if one sues for a horse devised to him in Court Christian (testamentary cause), and the defendant pleads that the devisor (testator) in his lifetime gave him (defendant) the horse, this is triable by our law, yet this will be tried by the (canon law), etc.; and it is the same law where an original (writ) commences in our law (for) a thing triable by the Law of Holy Church (canon law), it will be tried by our (law), as in Quare impedit (the issue) able or not able in a dead person (professed religious) will be tried by our law; and where the original (writ) commences in England and the rest (rem-) will be performed in another land (auter terre, abroad), yet it will be tried here; as if one make a bargain with another to serve him on the sea (sur le mer), or overseas (par de la), or to purchase bulls in Rome, the action will be brought in England well enough, and tried (here), etc.; as if an action be brought, and a birth (un naistre) is alleged (by defendant to have occurred) overseas (par de la), and the plaintiff alleges birth at such a place within England, he (plaintiff) will not take a denial (Sans ceo) (of the birth at some place outside the realm) etc.; and so the defendant ought to maintain the birth overseas (perdela), and traverse the birth within England
and his (Huse CJKB's) opinion was that he who is born overseas (ne par de la), and his father and mother were English, their issue inherit by the common law, but the statute makes clear (that children born abroad of the king's subjects would inherit) (25 Edw. 3 (1351), stat. 1 or 42 Edw. 3 (1368), ch. 10)
plea of 'alien born' in 1480.004 = Hil. 19 Edw. 4, pl. 4, fol. 6a and 1480.006 = Hil. 19 Edw. 4, pl. 6, fol. 6b |
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perhaps later proceeding 1483.039 = Mich. 1 Ric. 3, pl. 7, fol. 4a |
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Note
Chief Justice
Original (Writ)
Commencement
Court Christian
Ecclesiastical Court
Church Court
Thing (chose)
Issue
In Issue
Trial
Triable
Our Law
Their Law
Canon Law
Ecclesiastical Law
Suit
Horse
Devise
Devisor
(Testator)
(Testamentary Cause)
Life
Lifetime
Gift
Law Of Holy Church
Quare Impedit
Able
Ability
Able Or Not Able
Death
Person
Dead Person
Dead In Law
(Profession Of Religion)
(Clerk)
Rest (rem-)
Performance
Another Land
Abroad (auter terre)
Bargain
Service
Sea (mer)
On The Sea
Overseas (par de la)
Purchase
Bull
Pope
Papal Bull
Rome
Action
Sufficiency (assez)
Well Enough
Birth (naistre)
Allegation
Place (lieu)
Taking
Denial
Sans Ceo
Maintenance Of Plea
Birth Abroad
(Alien)
Traverse
Opinion
Birth (ne)
Born
English (Anglois)
Issue
Inheritance
Common Law
By Common Law
Statute
Clarity |
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